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Old 04-12-2017, 03:34 PM   #1
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Let me know what color hat you are and what attacks you typically use.

I am a gray hat myself and my methods are pen and connection access.
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Old 04-12-2017, 05:57 PM   #2
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Lol
I am a person, not a hat.
Hats can't even type.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:42 PM   #3
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I don't wear hats, they make your hair go thin.
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I find the title to be a bit racist.
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Title should be "Color Hat" and OP is referring to the Black, White and Gray hat hackers (signifying intent).

If you post anything true in this thread... then you're either the dumbest hat, or it's not true.

This is my only attack:
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Old 04-13-2017, 11:25 AM   #6
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Yeah. I was making fun of the baby hacker mentality.
People that are so stupid they think hacking is a cool use of your time. Lol
Or they think it makes them look cool to pretend to be a hacker wannabe.
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I would argue it's a great use of time... but it largely depends on what you're using the skillset for. It's like anything else. I learned a great many things in the Marine Corps. So now I have many skills... those can be used for either good or bad... for the advancement of our species or the stagnation of our species.

The problem is people find great power in skills and don't understand the responsibility that comes with it... the unimaginable long term consequences of the use of said power.

Think of the first malware ever written. It was a simple code page that the creators did as a prank and didn't consider how quickly it would propagate. It ended up killing many of the early internet nodes... and it was supposed to be a joke.

You're right though, typically when people hear of a trade, they want the power and not the responsibility. Disregard to responsibility is the birthplace of stagnation.
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hey guys sorry about the terminology and grammer. i had to rewrite the whole thing all over again due to the app crashing.

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hey tech maybe the title is racist or it could just be about gray, black and white hat hackers....on second thought you may have a point. Also my apologies on using the word hackers, its an ugly word in my opinion
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hey iPwn as long as you dont straight up say stuff like (i used a pen test on this place last week) then you should be fine. But i understand where you are coming from.
ill give an example, about two weeks ago I had some [person] using my wifi, couldnt figure out who or how. turns outs the crafty [person] used some program to get my PW, wireshark most likely. so i packet sniffed my network got the [persons] social networking accounts login in and changed my wifi names to his login name and PW. 2.4ghz was is username and my 5ghz was the PW.
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hey iPwn as long as you dont straight up say stuff like (i used a pen test on this place last week) then you should be fine. But i understand where you are coming from.
Or things like:
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about two weeks ago I had some [person] using my wifi, couldnt figure out who or how. turns outs the crafty [person] used some program to get my PW, wireshark most likely. so i packet sniffed my network got the [person] social networking accounts login in and changed my wifi names to his login name and PW. 2.4ghz was is username and my 5ghz was the PW.
That's an admission of guilt. You may have owned the physical media on which the data was being transferred, but you did not own the data being transferred. Therefore, you circumvented intellectual property controls, which is against many federal laws. But I'm pretty sure you're not posting this from a personal IP or device... right?

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I think what Tech was saying, and what I'm hinting towards is; If you're truly breaking the law intentionally, don't be stupid enough to talk about it. If you talk about it, you likely don't know all the consequences or haven't really done it.

I now work in law enforcement and can say with a certain amount of certainty that the number one thing that separates the cases we can prosecute from the cases that go unsolved is whether or not the criminal talked about his crime. That's not always true of course, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. Posting on a public forum that you killed your wife is probably going to get you caught with the quickness.

Hacking, even though completely legal under the right context, is still wildly frowned upon. Even though you can go anywhere on the web and learn about how to do it, we don't allow tutorials or questions of "how to" here. Not because it's a "bad" thing.. but it certainly has a huge potential of violating a great many laws.

I'm guessing you're in your early stages of learning, so I'll give you the best advice you're going to get if you choose this path.

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If A is a success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut.
Feel free to post and socialize to your hearts content, but posts like the above will land you in hot water that you never saw coming... and I'm not talking about from this site.
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you can wiretap your own network in order to keep it running and protect it against hackers. There is a lengthy academic paper that discusses this in more details: http://spot.colorado.edu/~sicker/pub...ons/issues.pdf


Fair enough but lets keeps the responses backed up with fact checking.
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Also please read and understand the sentences before making statements like HOT WATER. because if you noticed i said "ill give an example". Its also a good life habit to not( assume ) things.
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you can wiretap your own network in order to keep it running and protect it against hackers. There is a lengthy academic paper that discusses this in more details: http://spot.colorado.edu/~sicker/pub...ons/issues.pdf
Yea... you should read it sometime.

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Several Federal laws prohibit or restrict network monitoring and the sharing of records of network activity such as logfiles. These laws are designed to protect online privacy. They apply both to private parties and government agents, although the details vary depending on who is doing the
monitoring. None of these laws contain any specific exceptions or safe harbors for scientific or academic research.
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monitoring packets to look for an intruder, sniff out a virus, or locate a bot, is probably justified as necessary to protect the network.
Tip: The verbiage here is extremely important.

Once you're done reading that paper in length, you need to brush up on Federal law.

18 U.S. Code 2511 - Interception and disclosure of wire, oral, or electronic communications prohibited
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(a) intentionally intercepts, endeavors to intercept, or procures any other person to intercept or endeavor to intercept, any wire, oral, or electronic communication;
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(c) intentionally discloses, or endeavors to disclose, to any other person the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection;
(d) intentionally uses, or endeavors to use, the contents of any wire, oral, or electronic communication, knowing or having reason to know that the information was obtained through the interception of a wire, oral, or electronic communication in violation of this subsection; or

shall be punished as provided in subsection (4) or shall be subject to suit as provided in subsection (5).

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(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this subsection or in subsection (5), whoever violates subsection (1) of this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

You broke laws when you used information you found in the monitoring of your network that did not belong to you and intentionally disclosed it (e.g. renaming wireless networks to information gathered during the network monitoring). You just violated a user's right to privacy which is federally protected in that instance.



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because if you noticed i said "ill give an example".
Oh I noticed what you said. Example =/= hypothetical

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Also please read and understand the sentences before making statements like HOT WATER
I wish I could find the case right now, but a judge in Utah issued a search warrant based on a post someone made to a website. Now the preponderance of evidence required for a search warrant is much less than what is required for an arrest warrant, but based on the evidence obtained from the search, the defendant was tried and sentenced to a prison term. His downfall was a post about being a hacker.

Please read and understand the law before you reference a single research paper (which has many self-documented unknowns as to the law) as if that provides carte blanche.





It's interesting that you took my words as offensive and felt the need to defend. If anything, I'm doing you a huge favor in trying to show you how deep the pool actually is, and you're trying to explain it has a shallow end and your floaties will do just fine. There's a lot more to it than you apparently grasp at this moment and you should really be more careful. So take some advice.


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Fair enough but lets keeps the responses backed up with fact checking.
I couldn't agree more.
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If you talk about being a hacker in public to a group of complete strangers you ate either A- Not a hacker but just a kid trying to sound cool or B- not going to be a hacker for long.
Either way, goodbye.
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I now work in law enforcement and can say with a certain amount of certainty that the number one thing that separates the cases we can prosecute from the cases that go unsolved is whether or not the criminal talked about his crime. That's not always true of course, but it's a good thing to keep in mind. Posting on a public forum that you killed your wife is probably going to get you caught with the quickness.
Just a thought... Shouldn't we be encouraging the hackers to talk about their hacking instead of shutting them down? Would make it easier to catch the little rascals, right?

We should give him a medal and call the FBI. LOL
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Just a thought... Shouldn't we be encouraging the hackers to talk about their hacking instead of shutting them down? Would make it easier to catch the little rascals, right?

We should give him a medal and call the FBI. LOL
It's not hard to track a person on the Internet, there is a trail of breadcrumbs to follow.
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Just a thought... Shouldn't we be encouraging the hackers to talk about their hacking instead of shutting them down? Would make it easier to catch the little rascals, right?
Except the ones that are worth catching aren't posting anything.

The ones who are posting are probably kids thinking it's cool and would only have their lives ruined for some stupid post.


Imagine if we had smart phones when we were kids. Now imagine how much you may not have gotten away with. Now you can't say "Oh I'd be fine!"
Most people break laws every single day and are completely unaware they broke a law, but imagine a snitch turned in a video and something you did as a child, as a joke or play, turns into a court case against you. Would you understand? Both what you did and why this was happening?
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Except the ones that are worth catching aren't posting anything.

The ones who are posting are probably kids thinking it's cool and would only have their lives ruined for some stupid post.


Imagine if we had smart phones when we were kids. Now imagine how much you may not have gotten away with. Now you can't say "Oh I'd be fine!"
Most people break laws every single day and are completely unaware they broke a law, but imagine a snitch turned in a video and something you did as a child, as a joke or play, turns into a court case against you. Would you understand? Both what you did and why this was happening?
No argument here. I agree. Also, my comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I know Anonymous is not gonna comment here
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Except the ones that are worth catching aren't posting anything.

The ones who are posting are probably kids thinking it's cool and would only have their lives ruined for some stupid post.


Imagine if we had smart phones when we were kids. Now imagine how much you may not have gotten away with. Now you can't say "Oh I'd be fine!"
Most people break laws every single day and are completely unaware they broke a law, but imagine a snitch turned in a video and something you did as a child, as a joke or play, turns into a court case against you. Would you understand? Both what you did and why this was happening?
I don't think that most people or the majority of people are lawbreakers intentionally or unintentionally but I do think there are a lot of people who don't care about the laws including the illegal aliens who broke the laws to even get here in the first place and wouldn't care about the laws once they're here. But I think the majority of people follow the laws and I think most people know what the laws are in spirit if not by letter.

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No argument here. I agree. Also, my comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously. I know Anonymous is not gonna comment here
Everyone who posts here does it anonymously. My guess is that your birth certificate doesn't say AMD man either.
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Everyone who posts here does it anonymously. My guess is that your birth certificate doesn't say AMD man either.
LOL no it does not. I meant Anonymous as in the hacktivist society.
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