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Old 06-05-2005, 09:58 PM   #1
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Default Apple switching over to x86 from PowerPC

I'm sure many of you guys have heard the news. What do you think? Is it a right move?
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Old 06-11-2005, 03:07 PM   #2
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Default Apple to intel

Wow, when i first heard that apple was switching to intel i was shocked!

At least processor uprades will be much simpler and easier to come by.

i think that it was not a good move, because a lot of mac fans swiched because of the macs diferentness. Oh well.


btw are you an apple fan?

I like both Pcs and Macs
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Old 06-11-2005, 09:10 PM   #3
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I'm not a mac fan but I know a few people who are. I personally think that the move is good for consumers but bad for the company. I mean, Apple has been boasting for years bout how good the PowerPC chip is as compared to the inferior and primitive Intel chip. And now, they're gonna use Intel chips.
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Old 06-13-2005, 02:40 PM   #4
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Default Re: Apple switching over to x86 from PowerPC

downloading my copy now. cant wait to install it on my system at home. I've heard mixed reasons on why it will and will not work on an AMD system...i guess ill get my definant answer when i try.
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Old 06-13-2005, 06:55 PM   #5
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Downloading what?
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Old 06-13-2005, 11:23 PM   #6
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Default Re: Apple switching over to x86 from PowerPC

os x 10.4 tiger for x86, it "leaked" out. I think apple meant to do it to try and gain some of the pc crowd, we'll see how this goes though.
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Old 06-14-2005, 05:51 AM   #7
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Default Re: Apple switching over to x86 from PowerPC

ba ha ha ha ha...

so it seems the intel IS better than the powerPC???
damn you mac fan boys, I was right all along!!!

seriously though, IBM don't have the facilities to produce in enough volume, they can make the chips cheap enough, or heat friendly, they are high capacity, but also high power.
they arn't suitable for mobile devices.

this is a move as far as I can see to get macs back into buisiness machines, Mac already own the designers world, now I see them struggling to make a decent laptop,

There's not much point imho of downloading any of the big cat os's since you'll still be running them on a PC.

If you want a mac just use Linux and a mac alike skin, (thats basically all Mac OS will be now anyway... -just another Unix clone running on an intel platform...
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I can understand why Apple wants to do this but it's taking a huge risk. Apple is having pohenomenal success. It's share price is soaring and it's sales are great. I think Apple feels it's time to get out of the niche market and try to steal market share from the mainstream market. The odds are pretty high on both sides. If Apple succeeds, it could go back to it's formal glory. If it fails, well... But it should be pretty interesting to see how OS X fares against Windows and GNU/Linux. We already have the browser wars, enter the OS Wars. 2005 is gonna be a really interesting year for the industry.
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Old 06-14-2005, 08:22 AM   #9
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hmm, I think that it's unlikely that Apple will release it's OS to the standard beige box,

it's also unlikely that apple zellots will want a beige box over their swichly designed apple boxes.

A big parts of apples success is that they have been so neich, they have a really stable OS, but a big part of that success is that they controll all the hardware,
I mean if microsoft could personally test every piece of hardware and then write the drivers for it I'm sure there would be a lot less problems.

It could be that apple are bitting off more than they can chew here.

The OS is already leaked, and people are installing it to regular x86 machines, how long before people start searching for exploits, how long before they are found?
I mean Mac have something of an unhackable reputation.

How long before someone decides to write drivers for their wintel USB modem, how long before others follow suit,
after that how long before we start to see blue screens of death?


leaving the comfort of designing their own chips and motherboards might just be too much of a bold step, Apple could see themselves in serious trouble...

or of course I might be wrong.
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Apple has stated that OS X will only run on Apple x86-64 machines. I think it's clear that all the hackers out there will find a way to get it to run on standard x86-64 machines. If they can come up with PPC emulators that allow PPC OSX to run on GNU/Linux and Windows, how difficult can this be?

The main contention here is that Apple has been boasting bout the PPC over the Intel for years now. The PPC chip is also the main justification for the high prices of Apple computers as compared to their PC counterparts. Now that this justification is gone, how will Apple get people to pay high prices for low-end hardware when they can get far superior configurations in a PC for the same price.

I don't think security will be an issue when OSX goes over to the Intel. It is still the same OS. Just different platform. As for crackers starting to take a serious interest in OSX, that will only happen if Apple achieves its goal to hit mainstream and that's still yet to be seen.
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Old 06-14-2005, 03:00 PM   #11
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Default Re: Apple switching over to x86 from PowerPC

stil doesn't answer the question about devices though...

apple also intend to stop designing/making their own motherboards instead opting for more generic ones...

suddenly all PC hardware will fit apple computers...

people will write 3rd party drivers for things like their graphics tablets, modems, scanners etc...

for the most part in the earlier years most blue screens were not caused by windows but by the 3rd party drivers and applications...

the question is will the same thing happen?
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I think security and safety are things that Apple is gonna have to give up in order to hit mainstream. It's a neccessary sacrifice.
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In no way are the Intel lines better than PowerPC. Pentiums continue to be slower in terms of flops. Apple switched, as far as I know, because PowerPCs are not in line for much improvement and there is no known way to put a G5 in a laptop. Frankly I wish they went with AMD. I also hope that they will continue to offer PowerPC based Macs in the future.

Now this reminds me of why I used to hate Apple. They constantly change the base technology of the Macintosh leaving older computers behind as junk. First the switch from 68k to PowerPC, then the switch from classic to NextStep/OS X and now this. On one hand improvement is good. On the other it means that PowerPC users can expect to see fewer new software. Now if people want to keep up, they have to upgrade their cpus or buy a new Mac.
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the ppc ran slower (clock speed) generating more heat and using more power, they were also massivly more expensive...

in the mean time us x86 users we experiancing leaps and bounds in terms of pushing boudries, both in construction terms and speed. the unfriendly 96nm processes are being dropped in favour of going even further into the submicron, and heat related performance is on the up too...

IBM couldn't compete... power PC was a weight around appls neck. the fact that IBM started to get a 'little funny' about production scales -Ie they couldn't deliver, and that fact that they couldn't produce a low power chip were just the last few nails in the coffin.

after years of touting how much better ppc was in terms of everything apple have finnaly given up and got with the winning side!
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well yeah, i guess Intel could be saidd to be on the winning side. Pentium 4 has reached the speeds of the G4 in terms of flops. the newer ones with ht probably close in on the g5. so i suppose it is just a matter of time before its no contest about superiority. though i'm told that the powerpc is still favored over the pentium for making supercomputers.
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You don't make a Super Computer with a Pentium full stop :P You make one with a few hundred Itaniums, then you get a SuperComputer that can face a PowerPC SuperComputer.

It really depends whose Benchmarks you go by, the independent people who say the G5 is only as good as it is, which is not very, because its on a Generic PC made of only a certain type of bits from one company. Or Apple, who compare it to a Xeon :P
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If you read deeper and ignore Mr Jobs somewhat (it has to be done to get the real story on things) you'd also find another major reason Apple has switched.

IBM didnt deliver the processoer Jobs wanted, boo hoo, Mr Jobs as we know is an eletist asshole. Apple make up 3% of the desktop market.

How many people do you know with a Mac? How many people do you know with a games console?

IBM just got the contracts of all three major games consoles. More people have consoles (or multiple consoles) than people who have Mac's.

Do you see what I'm getting at? IBM dont care one bit about Apple, they said themselves (I'll try and locate the quote) they would not miss Job's and his whiney demands.

Not only did IBM not have the 3Ghz chips Apple needed, nor had G5's cool enough for laptops, IBM where not particulary intersted in supplying them ether!

IBM basicly told Jobs to GTF, and Jobs had nowhere to go. He would never return to Motorola, he's slagged them off too much. Nobody else can produce these chips to a decent standard in a short time.

Enter Intel. They're a large company with reliable history, they have the facilitys to produce sufficent supplies of Apple, and they have a chip that is as powerful as the G5 and alot cooler.

But dont be fooled into thinking this was a sudden desision, Apple has been looking at x86 since before 2000.
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