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Old 07-01-2007, 11:19 PM   #1
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Default New ATi DX10 cards out

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102100
first budget ATI budget card to show up on newegg should be more on there way in the next 24HRS

good reveiw on a gaming card, the 2600XT
http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...600_xt_review/
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:28 PM   #2
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

Wow... nice and cheap. I think I'll still be sticking with NVidia cards for now though.
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:31 PM   #3
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

The 2600XT looks nice, but I think that ATi is very late on the ball. I do not believe it will become popular, simply because there are other, more reliable, choices.
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:33 PM   #4
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

Yeah, I agree. ATI did release these a bit too late, I think the HD 2900 XTX doesn't come until later this month.
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:37 PM   #5
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

dissapointing benches on the 2600XT. beat the 8600GTS in DX10 Apps though.

i think the 2000 series archetiture isnt on par with the 8000 series archeticture. even with all the extra stream proccess it cant keep up. i was also surprised when i found out that the 2600XT also used a 128 bit wide bus as well.

i want to know when the 8900GS comes out
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Old 07-01-2007, 11:58 PM   #6
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

The HD 2000 architecture is good, it's just ATI's drivers don't fully take advantage of them. Support for the HD 2900 XT was just recently added in the latest Catalyst drivers. You could imagine that performance won't be up to par, obviously.

ATI's architecture has always been better than NVIDIA, but they always make the wrong marketing and business choices. It's a shame because if they did it right, their video cards could easily beat NVIDIA's.

Ever since the X1800 series, followed by the X1900's and the Xbox 360's Xenos GPU, all their architectural choices have been far superior to NVIDIA's. From the Unified Shader Architecture to the 512-bit memory bus, they've all been better choices, it's just ATI/AMD doesn't implement them well.

Great concept, poor execution. What a shame.
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

I am sticking to nVidia. Better drivers IMO, better budget cards 'cause im poor, Ubuntu supports it better.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:03 AM   #8
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

Yeah, one thing great about nVidia is the great support you get with linux.

Also, another reason why the new ATi cards might not be successful is because of all the hype about SLi technology nowadays. A lot of people (like me) have SLi mobos that would be wasted if I got an ATi card.
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SLI is way better than CrossFire IMO. I have had experience with both and CrossFire didn't impress me.
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Old 07-02-2007, 12:16 AM   #10
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Yeah, that is what I said. Crossfire is not that great, and Crossfire cards are nowhere near as good as nVidia SLi cards.
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I am sticking to nVidia. Better drivers IMO, better budget cards 'cause im poor, Ubuntu supports it better.
Eh, sorta. NVIDIA's drivers aren't that great anymore. The last great Forceware driver was probably 66.93.

EDIT>>> Yeah, NVIDIA does have good Linux support though.

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SLI is way better than CrossFire IMO. I have had experience with both and CrossFire didn't impress me.
Yeah, SLI is more matured than CrossFire. ATI has revamped CrossFire so that it's internal, which is good, but it's a bit too late despite the fact that using two connector bridges was better than SLI's one.

The original CrossFire was horrible though. The external dongle completely limited you to using a single-link DVI monitor, which wasn't good for those who had 30" monitors.

The good thing about CrossFire is that you can mix GPU's as long as it's part of the X or HD series. So you can mix a X1800 XT with a X1900 XT CrossFire Edition card and it'll still work. SLI on the other hand requires you to have the same card of the same model. A while ago they loosened it up a bit and allowed different brants to be used, but the models still had to be the same. So you could use a 7900 GT from eVGA and a 7900 GT from BFG and it'll work fine, where as previously you had to use two 7900 GT's from the same manufacturer.

In my opinion, SLI is the way to go for multi-GPU, but CrossFire is starting to catch up. It'll only take time before we see CrossFire and SLI battle.
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

Let me say that the drivers for nVidia are only butter in Ubuntu. As for Windows, I like the ATI drivers. Personally, I have only owned a nVidia card while I had Window, but my friend has an ATI card and I have played with the Catalyst drivers. They are much better than the Forceware drivers for Windows.
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Yeah, I agree. ATI Catalyst drivers are really good for Windows.

Linux...eh, not so much.
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Old 07-02-2007, 03:01 PM   #14
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I've never had problems with either company's drivers.

I'm just waiting for nVidia to release the effing 8900 series. Unfortunately, they probably won't release it until after ATI releases a more powerful card that is competition for the 8800GTX, which could be a while.
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

Does crossfire require the bridge?

I know some SLI setups don't. I know at least on the Evga boards that have the P28 BIOS everything recognizes a SLI setup without the bridge on.
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Default Re: New ATi DX10 cards out

With the low end cards, like the X1600 or 2600, you don't need the external dongle or bridge. The PCI-E bus has enough bandwidth to connect both.

For the high end cards, you do. Now it's not an external dongle though (thank goodness), they use two SLI-type bridges instead.
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Does crossfire require the bridge?

I know some SLI setups don't. I know at least on the Evga boards that have the P28 BIOS everything recognizes a SLI setup without the bridge on.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it does for some models:
http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=3186855
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Yeah, read what I posted.
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Haha yeah my bad, you beat me to it.
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