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Old 03-02-2007, 12:58 PM   #1
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http://www.techspot.com/news/24502-m...e-pricing.html

Good god the EU Is ticking me off picking on microsoft like this.

they awnt them to confirm to their price?

If the lawyer representing microsoft i'd say the following

"We work based on free trade, we decide the prices, if a compitotor wants to come along and challenge the price by going lower, we'll lower. We also don't give trade sercets away. Microsoft will price its products in the EU as it sees fit, Microsoft will nto reveal trade sercets to its competitors. If the EU has an issue with this, microsoft will stop selling its products in europe and consider all of its software in europe priated, therefore will receive NO SUPPORT from microsoft"
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Can you not take the time to check your posts? Its a nightmare trying to read through all your mistakes.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:04 PM   #3
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Oh God, I saw the title and that it was posted by Nik, and I was ready for a flame war

Anyway, I agree, that's a bit ridiculous that they're challenging Microsoft by saying the prices are too high. I see where they're coming from, but I don't neccesarily agree with their claim.
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Old 03-02-2007, 01:15 PM   #4
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Vista ultimate is 499 in the states. In europe they got a 20% higher tax.

Thats 100 bucks right there your talking basically 600, not only that its a higher cost to run a business in europe, thats why microsoft charges more, they have to spend more.
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Why does it bother you? You're living on American soil inside that airbase, do you not get American goods at American prices?

That's the way British service personnel in Britain got their stuff, they even got the proper version of RTCW from the UK instead of the crappy German version with the Nazis taken out.

And anyway, why would MS withdraw from Europe? No big deal, really, it'd only lose them billions of dollars. And people would just torrent it all anyway, thus getting MS software for nothing. MS would achieve precisely bugger all by doing that.
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Old 03-02-2007, 03:37 PM   #6
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Um, I actually don't live inside that big airbase...

In fact I only go to it for school/gym rarely do I shop there (cheaper off base with the vat tooken out of the picture)

Why do I care?

Because MS has done NOTHING wrong with its priceing. Its a free market.
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I agree with the EU. If an entire organization says a corporation is over-pricing, then it probably is. And that company should change their prices accordingly.

I mean come on, how much wealth does Microsoft have? Come on now...don't be greedy Microsoft.

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Because MS has done NOTHING wrong with its priceing. Its a free market.
Actually, they have done some wrong things. Look at the history of Microsoft, and all of it's anti-trust cases. If you seriously think MS is just this nice goody-goody company, you're sadly mistaken.


EDIT2: It's not a "free market", if you sell products in a certain region, you abide by THEIR rules. EU isn't America. There's different laws and regulations. MS is violating those.
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I agree with the EU. If an entire organization says a corporation is over-pricing, then it probably is. And that company should change their prices accordingly.

I mean come on, how much wealth does Microsoft have? Come on now...don't be greedy Microsoft.
So you want them to take a loss just because they are an already successful corporation? I don't think so. They still need to make money.

Everyone says their prices are ridiculous, but they obviously don't understand the amount of work that must go into making the software.

They have to pay tons of programmers to program it initially, then people have to test it extremely thoroughly, and then the programmers have to fix the bugs. Then they go through that testing and fixing a hundred more times. People think it's simple, they write the code in a day's work, and sell it for $500.
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So you want them to take a loss just because they are an already successful corporation? I don't think so. They still need to make money.

Everyone says their prices are ridiculous, but they obviously don't understand the amount of work that must go into making the software.

They are making money, and a lot of it. Their prices aren't ridiculous, but if a country or organization deems it over-priced, then MS must take that into consideration and adjust prices accordingly.
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The EU is ridiculous. Its their product so they should charge what they like. I myself have been supprised with the pricing of the OEM versions of vista
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The EU is ridiculous. Its their product so they should charge what they like. I myself have been supprised with the pricing of the OEM versions of vista
Surprised good or bad? I think the OEM versions are an excellent value. $300 cheaper for Ultimate!
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They pay these 'programers' heaps of cash, yet Vista is still shit! They release it when it clearly is not ready, oh well...
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did anyone actually read the article?

it doesn't mention the pricing of Vista or the software, it involves the pricing of microsoft "technologies",

that's stuff like information as to how things work. it's all very well microsoft chaning the way things work, (like how they changed the TCP/IP stack between dos based windows and NT windows, but that information needs to be available, (though not freely available) to the people who are developing technologies along side microsoft products.
I.E to work with microsoft products.

the basis of this suit is that microsoft are effectivly pricing out smaller companies from being able to create toolsuits that make use of or provide trouble shooting etc for microsoft technologies by restricting the access to the information.

it all comes about because microsoft developed technologies in a closed source scenario in an apparant attempt to push others out of the market, (read up on the distrust law suits). microsoft were forced in court to stop their anti competative nature.
now they are being just as anti competative by making the intelectual property and information leagal, but difficult to obtain due to pricing.

and RE microsoft just withdrawing products and support from europe.
I honestly don't think that they could even if they wanted to. when they sold the product they sold a contract to provide support for that product as well.

and IF microsoft do say that they are withdrawing all products from Europe and making most europeans software pirates by saying that they can't have their software then I can only envisage two things.

either an influx of linux based windows clones in education and buisiness, (which literally wipes out mosr than half of micrsofts audience).
followed by the same software finding it way into peoples homes. wipping out another large percentage of Microsoft sales.

or,
Europeans will just whole heartedly embrase piracy, and since Microsoft forced the position, the courts will take a much lighter view of the situation and simply allow it.

so you're looking at two things.

either microsoft withdraw their software, and loose most of their legit customers, (there are more microsoft buyers in 'the whole' of Europe than their are in America).

or they froce people to be illegitimate customers, and loose their custom, whilst still furbishing them with software...

either way Microsoft will loose out big time.
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Surprised good or bad? I think the OEM versions are an excellent value. $300 cheaper for Ultimate!
Yes pleased with the pricing. The basic is ~ $100 which is very good for my country
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Yes pleased with the pricing. The basic is ~ $100 which is very good for my country
Ditto. the original reports i was hearing had OEM prices between $50-125 higher than what they are now.
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Why does it bother you? You're living on American soil inside that airbase, do you not get American goods at American prices?
Can I just ask, what sort of sig is that, capital letters mixed up with lower case, & why that phrase anyway
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root , havent they done the same anticompettetive thing by using patch guard in vosta to keep out antivirus companies
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Can I just ask, what sort of sig is that, capital letters mixed up with lower case, & why that phrase anyway
FYI some cretin keeps on editing my sig. Guess what, David goes all silent when I complain about it.
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FYI some cretin keeps on editing my sig. Guess what, David goes all silent when I complain about it.
Can't think why he's like that, It does look strange, I can delete it for you if you like?
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FYI some cretin keeps on editing my sig. Guess what, David goes all silent when I complain about it.
hey werent you a mod before , what happened there
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