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Old 06-02-2017, 11:28 PM   #1
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Default Is programming the only CS job that will survive?

I am currently entering the field and I'm afraid that the IT field is dead as to everything will be automated and will require only programmers to hold on to their jobs. I am only entry level in IT, getting help desk positions which I am okay with. I love this field, and wouldn't give it up for any other career. But I'm afraid soon information technology will die. Is this true?

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Old 06-03-2017, 05:31 AM   #2
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No. It's not true. It's a prediction.
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I have read predictions similar to what you are describing which I believe may come true at some point in the future. To me this brings up the question: How far in the future?

I am at the very end of my working career (in fact I retired once then re-entered the workforce) so it's doubtful that any of this will affect me. You younger people need to think about whether or not robotics, automation and AI will make your job obsolete within your lifetime.

While some predictions from the past have come true, many have not. For instance, back in the 1950's when I was growing up, there were predictions that we would all have flying cars by the year 2000. Where are the flying cars? Technology has come a long way but not as far as some futurists predicted.

Automation has, in fact, already affected me. When I came out of retirement, I took a job doing Robotic Process Automation. I now develop software robots that automate processes that were once performed by a human. At this point in time, repetitive, data entry types of processes can be automated but, as AI technology improves, even more processes can be automated. Eventually, just about every job will be able to be automated. Again, the question is, how long will it be before virtually everything will be automated?

Some have predicted that because virtually all jobs will eventually be eliminated, our society will need to move to a system with a "basic income" whereas everyone within the society will receive monetary payments on a regular basis (a form of social security) in addition to any other income. The amount will be enough to provide for an individual's basic needs.
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Where are the flying cars?
What got something even better- autonomous cars.

not too worried about my job since the company I work for is exceptionally behind the times. I might not stay there forever though, and I do wonder what the future may hold. I'm a network guy and really enjoy that aspect of IT but with everything moving to the cloud, some parts of my job may be going obselete too.

Software seems to be the business to be into these days. Keep studying or taking classes while you work. That way when things change, you'll be ready to change, too.
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Moller did the flying cars already in the 80's.
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What got something even better- autonomous cars. ...
Not so sure I'd say they're better but they are here. Another form of robotics that will eventually eliminate jobs for many humans.

How about autonomous flying cars?
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Not so sure I'd say they're better but they are here. Another form of robotics that will eventually eliminate jobs for many humans.

How about autonomous flying cars?
They call them drones.
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They call them drones.
Huh? I'm not aware of any drones that can carry humans from point A to point B.
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Wait for it...

Airliners use autopilots to do the actual point to point flying.
It kind of makes then autonomous drones with a human back up.


As to the OP, programming will be carried out by AI computers at some point in the future, it's already being done in certain circles.

The future employment will be in videogame playing.

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/clive-...ork-is-gaming/
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The future employment will be in videogame playing.
God. What happened to the world.
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my view on this is based on my work in IT, I work in capacity that means I put in new infrastructure. - this is what I think.

no. - programming is not the "only" CS job that will survive.

let look at this simply.
non-coding IT jobs I assume to mean IT support and consultancy.

Whilst AI systems can answer help desk calls, they may have trouble understanding how non technical people describe issues, - so help desk jobs will still be available.


a machine won't be installing servers in small coms room cupboards any time soon, nor upgrading RAM in servers.

and for all devices, before you can use auto provisioning tools you have to do some wort of basic setup.

(ok if you're only buying cloud services you may never actually see a computer, but Amazon are still going to have jobs!)



but here is the real issue.
whilst these jobs will survive, they will be harder to get.
why?
well, consider that today I can use ancible to push configuration to a thousand devices, (lets say I have a new management server so I'm adding a new ACL on a switch.)
it's a small change, but i'd have taken ten minutes per device to connect,
that's basically ten 8 hour working days...
Now I can do that all inside an hour, including all change control necessary!

So I'm some hundred times more productive, the place I work don;t need to employ so many people...


also, not only will there be less jobs available, but they are going to be harder to get into.
most people don't suddenly jump into some sort of high skilled job (even those straight out of universities) but (for the western hemisphere at least) it's harder to get those entry level jobs that give you experience, and once those entry level jobs are mostly replaced with robotic systems... it's going to be harder still!

Here is the thing.
Even with infrastructure as code, (where you can use tools like cloud formation to get loads of servers spun up at once.) you're still an infrastructure worker, not a coder (though you need to know code).


the idea that only programming will survive is basically a rumor that seems to have been put about by self important programmers who think that they have no need for infrastructure specialists because they can make servers or something (if seen how that ends, and it's often not well!)


I can't see programmers and coders fairing much better that infrastructure people either; there is now an awful lot of code automation. auto test etc...

jobs won't completely disappear, thy'll just but a bit harder to get.
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And those that remain will be the crappy ones like installing, etc.
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And those that remain will be the crappy ones like installing, etc.
Hey!!! I resemble that remark!!
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LOL me too. I did my fair share of sitting in tiny closets spaces sweating while my cable puller got me the wires fed in and I did the connections and set ups.
Glad those days are in the past.
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When Pam in marketing can get a robot to show her how to open her emails, I might fear for my job.
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When Pam in marketing can get a robot to show her how to open her emails, I might fear for my job.
Actually a robot may be doing Pam's job.
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Actually a robot may be doing Pam's job.
I doubt that. Something robots won't be able to do is understand the social sciences. Not even the people that studie them can...
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I doubt that. Something robots won't be able to do is understand the social sciences. Not even the people that studie them can...
Pam is in marketing and not in social sciences from the post.
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Pam is in marketing and not in social sciences from the post.
Marketing is formed mostly by social sciences...
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