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Old 07-23-2009, 08:36 PM   #1
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Default Whats the Difference between a wireless Access Point and Wireless Router?

I could have sworn I saw this thread like a week ago but ill ask again. What is the difference, I mean I know the basics but why is it that for example the linksys WAP54G is more expensive than the WRT54G? I thought it had to do with advanced features but a price gap like that seams a bit unwarranted.....I mean the WRT54G can rout ethernet applications as well while the WAP54G can't...I keep trying to grasp this concept but it never sticks in my head how an AP alone can be so expensive over a router, more output power or something? Discuss....
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I'm going to try and make an educated guess here cause I'm still learning with ya.

I believe the Wireless router does what it says... routes and forwards information while the Access Point is simply that. Nothing but an access point where you can connect to a WLAN. Why its more expensive? Idk.
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Not sure why it's more expensive. But it could have something to do with the actual hardware inside the devices. The AP has to be able to detect, connect, and re-broadcast a wireless network, while a router only broadcasts it out.

So in theory, the AP has more specialized hardware in it, and therefore costs more to build, so that costs is shown in the higher price.


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Old 07-24-2009, 12:03 PM   #4
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What's ironic is that if you know what you're doing and are willing to tweak (or even flash with different firmware like dd-wrt) you can turn your wireless router into an access point.
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What's ironic is that if you know what you're doing and are willing to tweak (or even flash with different firmware like dd-wrt) you can turn your wireless router into an access point.
Yup, very true. Most routers double as Access Points anyway, or atleast that's my understanding of it. I think of an Access Point device similar to a range booster or signal repeater; it just extends where your network'll go. I've read several things on it while I've tried setting up a network to reach across several residential homes (a bitch btw with a/b/g routers cuz anything metal or too many walls absolutely kills signal) and still don't have a solid understanding.
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I've always heard this whole repeater like feature. Is that a physical link via Internet from the AP to the router? It's still weird to me all these years I've always seen the two devices in two categorys but never really explored why they were so different.
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I've always heard this whole repeater like feature. Is that a physical link via Internet from the AP to the router? It's still weird to me all these years I've always seen the two devices in two categorys but never really explored why they were so different.
A repeater does just that, repeats. It receives a wireless signal (either the closest one in range, or a constant that you set) and then retransmits it, so that the range of the signal is greater. Range boosters should be the exact same thing, so I don't know the difference. Maybe because a repeater is a router that can repeat (our repeater is just a small, normal wireless router), and a range booster is just a repeater.

Actually just googled it.

"A wireless router is basically a router and access point all in one.
You would buy an access point if you had an existing network and wanted to
add wireless capability. You would plug the access point into an existing
router, hub or switch.
Going back as this stuff was emerging there was a price advantage to just
buying an access point. But as things progressed wireless routers sold in
greater numbers and the prices became more competitive. To the point that
now in many instances a wireless router will cost you less than an access
point.
There is very little reason any longer to buy an access point as most
wireless routers now can function as an access point."

So paying more for an access point is complete nonsense, it's one step down.
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A repeater does just that, repeats. It receives a wireless signal (either the closest one in range, or a constant that you set) and then retransmits it, so that the range of the signal is greater. Range boosters should be the exact same thing, so I don't know the difference. Maybe because a repeater is a router that can repeat (our repeater is just a small, normal wireless router), and a range booster is just a repeater.

Actually just googled it.

"A wireless router is basically a router and access point all in one.
You would buy an access point if you had an existing network and wanted to
add wireless capability. You would plug the access point into an existing
router, hub or switch.
Going back as this stuff was emerging there was a price advantage to just
buying an access point. But as things progressed wireless routers sold in
greater numbers and the prices became more competitive. To the point that
now in many instances a wireless router will cost you less than an access
point.
There is very little reason any longer to buy an access point as most
wireless routers now can function as an access point."

So paying more for an access point is complete nonsense, it's one step down.
Wow dilema solved!
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I was close...
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Old 07-24-2009, 11:16 PM   #10
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So why hasn't linksys and other networking companys picked up on this?!?!
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Oh they have. But you can always hope someone buys something without payin attention. And I'm sure it happens a good bit with electronically inadequate people.
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Oh they have. But you can always hope someone buys something without payin attention. And I'm sure it happens a good bit with electronically inadequate people.
Haha solid point!
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an access point is just as it says...an access point nothing more nothing less.Usually has a wireless component, and a wired cat5 port to connect to your network.

while a router usually incorporates a switch , LAN ports.There is also a WAN connection. There usually is a firewall, port forwarding, mac tables, DMZ, wireless, DHCP plus others. The most important part of a router is NAT. NAT is network address translation, this allows your router to take the single ip address from yor ISP and use to connect a mutitude of work stations. With out NAT , if using a hub for instance that does not have NAT, The first work station on would aquire that one ip address from your isp and any other work stations would not be able to connect. So NAT Takes that one ip and keeps track of what w/s make requests on the internet , when the requests come back NAT makes sure the request goes to the correct w/s. THEN thre is also SPI or stately paket inspection...SPI inspects each data packet that comes into your router to make sure it was actually requested by someone on the LAN and was not foged by a hacker.
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an access point is just as it says...an access point nothing more nothing less.Usually has a wireless component, and a wired cat5 port to connect to your network.

while a router usually incorporates a switch , LAN ports.There is also a WAN connection. There usually is a firewall, port forwarding, mac tables, DMZ, wireless, DHCP plus others. The most important part of a router is NAT. NAT is network address translation, this allows your router to take the single ip address from yor ISP and use to connect a mutitude of work stations. With out NAT , if using a hub for instance that does not have NAT, The first work station on would aquire that one ip address from your isp and any other work stations would not be able to connect. So NAT Takes that one ip and keeps track of what w/s make requests on the internet , when the requests come back NAT makes sure the request goes to the correct w/s. THEN thre is also SPI or stately paket inspection...SPI inspects each data packet that comes into your router to make sure it was actually requested by someone on the LAN and was not foged by a hacker.
Wow, thanks. Very helpful, for me atleast.
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I have not used an AP for awhile, now that I think about it AP's do share some simularities w/ routers. Some of the components that keep your neighbor from surfing in on your internet. LIKE SSID, MAC TABLES AND ENCRYPTION.

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an access point is just as it says...an access point nothing more nothing less.Usually has a wireless component, and a wired cat5 port to connect to your network.

while a router usually incorporates a switch , LAN ports.There is also a WAN connection. There usually is a firewall, port forwarding, mac tables, DMZ, wireless, DHCP plus others. The most important part of a router is NAT. NAT is network address translation, this allows your router to take the single ip address from yor ISP and use to connect a mutitude of work stations. With out NAT , if using a hub for instance that does not have NAT, The first work station on would aquire that one ip address from your isp and any other work stations would not be able to connect. So NAT Takes that one ip and keeps track of what w/s make requests on the internet , when the requests come back NAT makes sure the request goes to the correct w/s. THEN thre is also SPI or stately paket inspection...SPI inspects each data packet that comes into your router to make sure it was actually requested by someone on the LAN and was not foged by a hacker.
Wow that was helpful. I've cometo realize how smart routers really are....
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