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Old 05-15-2007, 07:05 PM   #1
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hi,

i recently started a thread about my mates computer and his temperature which he is running at about 60'C and he wants it a bit cooler so i have considered some options for him

from lowest price to highest price (generally n e way)

1. Case Fan
2. New Thermal paste
3. New Heatsink + Fan
4. New Case

so i was thinking as its goin to be the cheapest i wud get him to buy a case fan just to c what differeence he sees in temps

now heres his case but i dnt know what size fan it takes or even what fan to buy ??

http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?...48890&doy=16m5

it def has a whole for a fan near the rear of the case has 4 mounting holes and a mesh grid type thing

so apart from the case fan which im def getting what wud u suggest to get his temps down he wants to overclcok his pentium D but i said i wouldnt advise it until he has dropped his temps ??

im looking for the cheapest way of cooling his pc ?

note : he currently has the side of the pc case off with a household fan pointing at it which only drops the temps by 3 degrees lol

ps im from uk and would ask if your gonna reccomend n e thing try make it off ebuyer.com or mapins.co.uk
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I'd go for the best air CPU cooler you can get out there for the intel platform - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. It's also one of the cheapest at 13. I use it and look at my sig, that overclocked E4300 has never hit 40 degree's.

http://www.custompc.co.uk/

on the left hand side, Go to labs, then CPU coolers. CPC is a great mag, just for enthuists like ourselves. Thats a group test of coolers for both intel and AMD platforms. The artic cooler is a fantastic bit of kit, and with active speed controlling the fan speed (through the BIOS) it's almost silent.

Think you should get that, and a couple of case fans to increase the airflow. It'll keep it nice a cool. It's got decent thermal paste on it already, so that's you got 3 outta your 4 already. Be warned though, the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro is big and mighty, just make sure you've plenty of space to install it.
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zalman 9700 is a wicked cpu cooler when combined with artic silver 5
also the antic 900 case is an awsome cooler as well
temps would drop sugnificly
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Use Arctic Ceramique...cheaper and just as good as Arctic Silver.
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hi,

thanks for the replies i think for now im just gonna get him

The arctic cooling heatsink + fan http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/105994

Thermal Paster http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/66688

and a cheap case fan which i still dont know which size to get ??

so ill just try this and send it back if it dont fit

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/116274

i will be checking if he has space for that fan + heatsink when i can be bothered to get out of bed and go round there

i was also looking at this for his memory which is running at 47'C

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/52526

wud he c much temp drop in his RAM with that ?

so what you think the temps will drop to with those few extras ?
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I'm not sure about the drop in temperature for his memory, I suspect that it's only that high due to the ambiant temperature in the case. I'd get a couple of quiet case fans instead. I use a few akasa ones, and I don't hear them at all.

Anyway, a far far more important point, and that is DONT buy that thermal paste that you've put a link too. It's old old silicon based stuff. It was ok-ish for Durons and lowend Athlon XP's, but is hopeless for any dual core P4's. The Arctic heatsink already has top of the range Arctic Silver on it and doesn't need replaced. You'd ruin any benifits using the thermal paste you've ordered. Even the newest reviews on it are from 2005.

Just the heatsink, a couple of case fans and those memory heat spreaders (if they don't make a huge difference, at least they'd look better and easier to handle)

Make sure that you clean the top of the CPU with a very lightly damped cloth, to remove any old thermal paste before you install the heatsink. Need's to be nice and clean for a good contact.

But I can't stress enough to you not to use that thermal paste that you linked us to. The stuff on the cooler is great stuff, Arctic coolers are going to be using there own TIMs, such as Arctic Silver which is the bees' knees.
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oh sorry dint realise the Fan + heatink had thermal paste on it

he only got space for 1 case fan but i have bin looking at this

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/90622 or
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/90623

i know they are mainly 2 keep expansion cards kool but wud it improve general air circulation of the whole pc ?
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oh sorry dint realise the Fan + heatink had thermal paste on it

he only got space for 1 case fan but i have bin looking at this

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/90622 or
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/90623

i know they are mainly 2 keep expansion cards kool but wud it improve general air circulation of the whole pc ?

Yeah, one of those would help. I'd try and fill that space for the case fan though too. I'd keep in mind though that you have no real reason to want to lower the temperature, P4 D's are hot runners and it's an ok temperature that it's running at the now. Anyway, it's good to see another ebuyer user, I use them all the time. Make sure you use the 10 off deal if you use the google checkout.

here's a link to a Akasa amber series 80mm (8cm) case fan, make sure it's the right size. If not, get the right size but akasa amber series. There dead silent.

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/97857
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yeah ebuyer is great i built my pc off that site except the case the sent me a dead PSU so instead of waiting fot the return and then delivery on another i went to maplins as im too impatient

and by the way i think theres a link to my case on my first post but i have no idea what kinda fan it takes

wud a picture help if i take 1 ?
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I really couldn't say, you'd need to measure the size with a ruler if you dont have the instruction booklet. I've had a look on that site you had a link to, but there's no specifications listed for that case.

I really wouldnt know otherwise. I could guess a 8cm or a 12cm for the back of ti, but I'm really not 100% certian.

Just to double check though, did you make sure that you have enough room around the CPU to fit the arctic cooler, as I did mention that it's pretty big a previous post. I just don't want you getting it, then realising it's to crowded to fit.
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umm heres a Q? u knowthat fan sort of sticks out to the side yeah as in its pretty square apart from 1 side which pokes right out ???

well 1 side of my current heat Sink + fan i have my RAM the other side i have my PSU then the other 2 sides look pretty clear what im askin is can u choose where bouts the fan sits cozon 1 side all i have is the chipset and my graphics card which there is alot of room for supposing the fan site about 120mm above u mobo ???? hope u get wot i mean i have cpu socket then in 1 direction about 100mm away from that i have my chipset but the chipset is only about 120mm high so wud the fan sit over the top of it ??
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Here's an picture of how it installs in my motherboard. It's ATX form factor. The memory sits to the right of it and the fan is above the top of them so even if it was too close, it would touch them.

Dunno if that helps at all. One problem I did have though is my northbridge heatsink was in the way of it. To be honest though, the original one that came with the motherboard was way way to big, far larger than normal and was also passively cooled. If your northbridge has a fan on it's heatsink, it'll be a lot smaller. I replaced mine with another passive cooling one, with 4 heatpipes and loads of fins for silent overclocking but it's towered, instead of being spread across the motherboard if you get what I mean.

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The tuniq tower 120, or scythe infinity are the two best air coolers on the market
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Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme.

http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling...oc.aspx?i=2981
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so the fan has to face your RAM ? if so does it stick out alot further than a standard 775 heatsink + fan ??

ps that mobo looks a lil small for ATX u sure its not micro ? (dnt mean to patronise your knoledge)
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so the fan has to face your RAM ? if so does it stick out alot further than a standard 775 heatsink + fan ??

ps that mobo looks a lil small for ATX u sure its not micro ? (dnt mean to patronise your knoledge)
No, it doenst have to.

it may look micro because the pic is cut off, but no.
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so the fan has to face your RAM ? if so does it stick out alot further than a standard 775 heatsink + fan ??

ps that mobo looks a lil small for ATX u sure its not micro ? (dnt mean to patronise your knoledge)
Nahh, lol. It's just that the case fan on the left is a big 12cm one, and the length of the graphics card is somewhat hidden due to the IDE cables. The motherboard is ATX. Just that the HS/Fan is a biggy. Anyway, if the motherboard that the HS/Fan is going to be installed into is ATX as well, and not micro ATX, then it won't interfer with the memory, and yes, it is fitted with the fan side to the memory, but the air is blown into the fins, i.e, from right to left in my picture, then exhasted from the case by the 12cm fan.

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The Tuniq Tower 120 got an "approved" award and the Scythe infinity got a "Approved Premuim" award in a group test in my PC Bible, Custom PC.

The Arctic Cooler Freezer Pro also got a "Approved Premuim" award and cooled the best out of the 3. Difference? The price, the other two are more than twice the price. Nuff said.

http://www.custompc.co.uk/ Goto "Labs" on the left hand side, followed by "CPU Coolers". Think he's made a sound choice.
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Jeese! You have practiaclly no airflow!

Now, to the subject.
If you want to get a better heatsink, clean out the wires so it would be clean, and try to see if you can add a fan in front.
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Jeese! You have practiaclly no airflow!

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If you want to get a better heatsink, clean out the wires so it would be clean, and try to see if you can add a fan in front.
LOL, that was me who posted the pic, lol, not the thread starter. Anyway, I've plenty of airflow. I can't put those wires anywhere else, but two fans at the front drag some air in, and the 12cm one drags plenty out. My CPU at load doesn't ever go above 38 Degrees and it's o/ced to 3.2GHz, so it definately gets plenty of air.
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No, it doenst have to.

it may look micro because the pic is cut off, but no.
so if i wanted to i could face the fan outwards towards his graphics card im just a little worried coz im pretty sure he got a MATX board

i suppose im just gonna have to do what i always do buy it for him and if it dnt work send it back if it does then he gives me the cash for it

(+ an extra 5er or 10er u know how it works )
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