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Old 09-28-2017, 05:20 PM   #1
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Hi everyone it's time to upgrade my computer


It's role will be a server that runs 24/7.


My current machine does all these jobs already and I don't have much of a budget as I don't need to replace the machine,

BUDGET : 400 CPU,RAM,PSU,MB


The reasons to upgrade


1) better power efficiency (current machine uses around 100watt idle)
2) Quicker encodes with handbreak
3) Quicker backups and file transfers


The jobs the server runs are


TV Tuner (recording OTA multiple channels)
Backups (all systems on network and itself nightly)
Ripping Media (Music DVD Bluray)
Compressing media (handbreak mostly H264 1080p)
Copying all data from network locations
Running checksums on network stored data
hosts some network shares
Hosts a few virtual machines periodically


I want it to have decent ports for expansions PCI , PCIE eg more tuner cards , USB cards , NIC


The parts I was looking at are as follows
CPU: I3 6100
RAM: 8GB DDR4 2133
MB: Gigabyte - GA-X150-PLUS WS ATX LGA1151
PSU: CSM 650w Gold




Is there better parts to achieve what I want
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Old 09-28-2017, 06:40 PM   #2
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There are always better parts, the thing is, can you afford them?

Tell us what you have right now. Are you using RAID? For what I've read, you'll probably need a good processor and fast RAM, so maybe look into a Kaby Lake processor and some fast DDR4 RAM.

Another thing, don't just judge a PSU by it's efficiency. Look up reviews and such.

Have you read the stickies in the Hardware section? Maybe they'll be of help to you.
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If the PSU is not made by Seasonic, Super Flower or Delta it ain't worth buying.
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With such a limited budget, your best bet would probably be upgrading components you have. Like getting the top of the line cpu for your current motherboard, maxing out the ram, and maybe adding an SSD for the operating system at least.

If you're dead set on getting all new hardware, you should look at amd's new offerings. With all the video encoding etc. you do, you'd probably benefit from the increased core count.

What is in your current machine?
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With such a limited budget, your best bet would probably be upgrading components you have. Like getting the top of the line cpu for your current motherboard, maxing out the ram, and maybe adding an SSD for the operating system at least.

If you're dead set on getting all new hardware, you should look at amd's new offerings. With all the video encoding etc. you do, you'd probably benefit from the increased core count.

What is in your current machine?
^^ That's better.

Actually one of the newer AMD processors are a much better option than Kaby for you.
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PCPartPicker part list

Something like this. Pricing would leave room for a new psu. or if your current psu was re-usable, you could bump up to an 8 core ryzen 1700 for a total of $425... It also leaves room to upgrade the ram & cpu in the future.
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Current computer poo

That's why fresh build

CPU: phenom x4 9150e
Mb : stock ASUS board pre built
Ram : 6gb ddr2
No GPU

It was just a spare tower that was lying around and the power draw is annoying me and some of the waiting for copy's ect
That's why a was thinking new build as old parts are a pile of rubbish


The only reason budget so small as anything newer must be better than current setup I would slowly upgrade this computer as needed it's just low to get it off the ground fast


I would select a better CPU too but I'm worried about the MB bios not being upto date and nearer gen CPU not being supported as a don't have a spare CPU to do bios update when I selected a newer CPU pcpartpicker stated compatibility problems due to bios on mb until update
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So to make things simple: you won't be keeping anything from your old build, because the only thing you can use (the PSU), you don't want to because it's inefficient.

You still didn't say what kind of storage you are running.

Did you read the stickies?

If we don't know what you can use from your old build, we can't be building part lists for nothing. It's a waste of time. Just tell us absolutely everything you have, and what you are willing to recycle. That includes case, storage, PSU, speakers... Ok maybe not speakers, but you get the idea.
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Only the 3 standard HDDS and tuner card will be saved for new build

Old system being donated to a freind in need so it needs to be a working system apart from hdd

New case will be a Codegen 4u 500mm deep

Budget is for only CPU,RAM,MB,PSU ONLY

upgrades at another time

I have read some of the stickeys

My storage in the old computer is standard mechanical drives storing backups ect

My main storage is a low power nas
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Ok let's get to work then.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T7FqM8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/T7FqM8/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($155.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI - B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($80.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $405.45
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Maybe the PSU is a bit expensive but it is very good and quite new.

EVGA Supernova G3 750W Review

---------- Post added at 03:49 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:46 PM ----------

The price is $400, if you can tell us your country it could make it more accurate and in line with your budget. If you can, you should get the processor suggested by Cortb, and maybe think about some more RAM in a few months.
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I'm in England

I like that build

The MB has plenty of PCI & PCIE slots

The price is friendly too

PSU has not got a price on PCpartpicker when changing to United Kingdom so Maby not available
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I'm in England

I like that build

The MB has plenty of PCI & PCIE slots

The price is friendly too

PSU has not got a price on PCpartpicker when changing to United Kingdom so Maby not available
If you can't find it, there are other good PSUs out there. Later I'll post some good alternatives.
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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/YFxJcc

It seems it is available under another name.
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The case codegen 4u 500mm deep says is supports E-ATX Boards (not full size)

"Motherboard Support - Micro ATX & Extended ATX (up to 12"*9.6")"

Could anyone point in the right direction please for possible future upgrade just for the info
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The case codegen 4u 500mm deep says is supports E-ATX Boards (not full size)

"Motherboard Support - Micro ATX & Extended ATX (up to 12"*9.6")"

Could anyone point in the right direction please for possible future upgrade just for the info
Why are you getting that case? Seems that for 80 you can get much better stuff, or at least more popular stuff. Popular stuff is usually the way to go, because it may not be the best, but there is always more support and material available if something bad happens.
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I'm finally going to buy a rack and put my network equipment switch, patch pannel, pdu , nas and server ect into it

I was planning on swapping the old hardware into this case but it's just not worth the hastle when it needs an upgrade


The case I have picked is just a cheap short dept case as I can only fit a small depth rack into the closet where my network equipment is currently stored

If it was sitting in view I would use a standard case I know there are loads of better choices in the desktop format

I plan on removing the 3x5.25 inch bays and replacing with icy dock enclosure
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Why do you say the current case needs an upgrade? If it can fit everything, you could invest those 80 in something else, like more RAM, a better processor, maybe an SSD.

And also, we seem to have forgotten, but do you have a graphics card? Because the Ryzen processors don't have integrated graphics.
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It's a standard desktop (old shop brought ACER aspire m3201) it won't go inside a rack too easy.

I normally have too pull all cables and pull it out of the closet unscrew cpu fan and mess around with cables just to change a HDD would help having hotswap drive cages

It's also taking up precious space inside the closet I have vertical space not width and depth I can only fit in a 600mm deep rack

Like I said earlyer the old system is being donated to a family freind whos stuck with an old xp system that can't even play 1080p video files and he can't afford to upgrade,

I am slightly better off than my freind and could do with the extra processing power and better power efficiency and also the space by racking the equipment


I could maby charge my freind a slight price too offset a slight cost but was hoping to donate to him

I do have a GPU

Extra ram an SSD ect can always be added in the future like a say it's to get off the ground ASAP
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Ok I'm going to share some information that could help you make a final desicion:
  1. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html
  2. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html
  3. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html
  4. https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html

There seems to be a pretty nice leap between the 4-core and the 6-core Ryzen procesors. You should think carefully how much processing power you need and how much you are willing to spend.

Take a good look at the tests. Also note that Ryzen processors scale quite well with high frequency memory, so I selected a couple 3000MHz for this last build:

"PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9BVkT
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Q9BVkT/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor (181.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (74.12 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Elite 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (78.26 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 (EU) 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (76.19 @ CCL Computers)
Total: 409.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Ok so it's worth going for the 6core 1600

Am I going to experience ram problems with this build
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