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Old 10-23-2017, 04:07 AM   #1
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Hi. Currently in the process of upgrading pc and looking for the cheapest card that can play latest games on highest settings smoothly. Any advice? Current and planned builds below

Current:

Case: bitfenix aurora full tower
Psu: 650watt superflower gold cert
Cpu: i5-4690k
Mobo: msi z97 gaming 5
Gpu: Asus 2gb gtx 760
Ram: 4x 4gb Kingston 1600mhz
Storage: 1x nmve 250gb 960 evo, 1x mx100 128gb 2.5 ssd, 3x 1tb hdd, 1x 2tb hdd
Cooling: phanteks cpu cooler 2 fan, 4x 140mm, 1x 120mm

Planned:

Case: bitfenix aurora full tower
Psu: 650watt superflower gold cert
Cpu: i5-7600k
Mobo: Asus Maximus IV Hero
Gpu: ??
Ram: 2x 8gb Kingston hyperx 2666mhz
Storage: 1x nmve 250gb 960 evo, 1x mx100 128gb 2.5 ssd, 3x 1tb hdd, 1x 2tb hdd
Cooling: ??, 4x 140mm, 1x 120mm


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Old 10-23-2017, 04:22 AM   #2
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Maybe a GTX 1060 6Gb or a Radeon RX 580? Is that on the price range you are looking for?
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:30 AM   #3
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Flexible on price. Just wanted to see what GPU's are good enough to run the latest and greatest.
What is classified as overkill for a card?
what is the bare minimum and recommended specs that games these days need?
Would like to get a card that wont be obsolete next year as well.

Been out of the loop for a couple years in terms of gaming so getting back into it now that I have more time on my hands.
I have read reviews and so on but performance on a page always differs to user experience.
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Old 10-23-2017, 04:44 AM   #4
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Overkill depends on the resolution you are playing on. The ones I mentioned could be considered the bare minimum for 1080p. For 1080p getting 2 x 1080Ti would be overkill.

Start by doing some research on those 2 cards and go from there.

You could also get the new Vega cards but that's overkill too.
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Old 10-23-2017, 06:24 AM   #5
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I suggest a good air cooling like Noctua NH-U14S. I don't recommend water cooling and overclocking too high.
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Thanks for the advice.

Will have a look at the 1060 and the 1080. Canít afford new monitor to play 1080p at the moment so that ainít crucial. Good to know we looking at a 6gb card or something similar.

Donít plan on overclocking hectically. Only done a little of ocíing on current i5. Fairly inexperienced when it comes to ocíing. Which is another dilemma for this build - do I spend the extra money on a i5 -####k or not? Not sure if will be ocíing enough to warrant the money. And if I want to oc I could oc ram and gpu. Stock i5 still has plenty of power for the latest games... right?

Was going to go for a water cooler simply cause that is something I havenít tried in a build before and it looks cool was thinking a simple Corsair h60
Closed loop cooler would be a good start. Seems like good value for money and does the job on a ocíed cpu, according to user reviews.
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Old 10-23-2017, 11:06 AM   #7
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So, by saying that you can't afford a new monitor to play 1080p you mean that you're not using a 1080p monitor/TV right now? What specs do you have for video output? That's important to define overkill or good enough. Any plans for the new one?

You know, the 8th gen. Intel is supposedly out as Intel's website says. The i5's now come with 6 cores not 4 and that would give plenty power for real. But yes, modern i5's are good for games the vast majority of the time. I suggest checking the availability in your sources. Not sure how it is in SA (I mean South Africa, not Saudi Arabia ).

Just for the info, I'm OC'ing my i5 3570K from 3.4GHz to 4.2GHz and the mentioned Noctua NH-U14S keeps it nice and cool in this burning country and it never goes even close to 70C while heavy gaming. That's 800MHz. The system couldn't take more OC'ing, and the temp. was not the problem.
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If you are not in 1080p a 1060 6Gb is perfect.

I can play fallout in ultra 1080p at around 45FPS, and my biggest drawback is the processor. You can't miss with the 1060. It's old, but it still beats AMD's new stuff (RX 580).
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Old 10-23-2017, 01:34 PM   #9
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Not sure of model but currently using a pretty dated (6 years old) Samsung 21.5 inch monitor through dvi (no hdmi) and a dell 23 inch via hdmi which is also old. Plan to buy a new monitor probably 24 inch full hd/2k not 4K. Damn expensive. but that it is next years problem but would like build accommodate a new monitor.

We pretty much have access to all, can use amazon from US as well. Got access to suppliers prices locally for some items, which is mostly the only reason i can afford to upgrade at all - 6 month old girl. been buying things that I want slowly and only the big four left - cpu, mobo, ram and gpu. Want to get gpu next as it might work with current build. And then need to save a little bit to splash cash for remaining 3 items.kinda working on a budget of R12 000 (900 USD / 3283 Saudi Riyal) for the last 4 items.

Not a such a diff in price for z300 mobo + 8th gen... i am surprised. Links are from a local retailer, really good PC store (deliver internationally btw)

planned Z270 mobo - https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-rog-z270-maximus-ix-hero-lga-1151-intel-z270-atx-kaby-lake-desktop-motheboard.html

Z370 mobo - https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-rog-maximus-x-hero-lga1151-intel-z370-coffee-lake-atx-desktop-motherboard.html

planned i5 (not k) - https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-i5-7600-3-5-ghz-quad-core-14nm-kaby-lake-socket-lga1151-desktop-cpu.html

8th gen i5 - https://www.wootware.co.za/intel-core-i5-8400-2-8ghz-hex-core-14nm-coffee-lake-socket-lga1151-desktop-cpu.html

Link Below... good deal? 192bit is that an important factor in cards? Would a lower end 1070 be a better choice?

https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-geforce-gtx-1060-rog-strix-gtx1060-o6g-gaming-6gb-gddr5-192bit-pci-e-3-0-desktop-graphics-card-includes-mafia-3-virtual-game-code.html

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The 1070 is not lower end. Is faster than the 1060 and has SLI support. Remember the 1060 doesn't have SLI support. If you can afford, always buy the newer stuff. Half of it is marketing crap, but the other half is usually improvements. I'm not sure about this case though.

The 1060 is old, but still has the latest Nvidia architecture, and seems superior, or equal at least, to the newer AMD cards.

Now about the processor:

UserBenchmark: Intel Core i5-7600K vs i5-8600K

Coffe Lake is still a bit unknown, but the improvements don't seem too wild. Even with the added cores. Maybe overclocked you would see a good difference, but I'm not sure how big of an improvement you'd see on the real world. As I said before, this could be more marketing than actual progress. Coffe Lake was released just so Intel is not forgotten now that everyone is buying Ryzen.
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If you're going 2k (1440p) then I highly recommend a GTX 1070. The 1060 is a 1080p high performer (60fps) and a 1440p mid-range performer (45-60fps) on highest settings in AAA games.
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As for the CPU, I recommend always getting the highest possible i5 when it comes to games. Clock speed is also important if you want to get high FPS like on 144Hz monitors. I know more than 60FPS may not be noticed, but it when I tried it it felt like seeing real life movement. Also who knows, maybe games will start using extra threads like some did like Grand Theft Auto and Battlefield 1 when intensive AI kicks in or physics (when set to use CPU) increases.
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Thanks for info. Leaning towards 8th gen with a z300 board price diff not but and I agree always better to but the latest if possible. Especially motherboard. The 300 chipset would most likely be compatible with another gen of cpus and possibly RAM release.

And the card def going 1070 assuming funds allow it

Below card is at a decent price. A bit over budget but might just spash the 567 usd.
https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-dual...hics-card.html
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https://www.wootware.co.za/asus-dual...hics-card.html
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I doubt the z300 boards will be compatible with next gen of processors. In theory the next generation will be Cannonlake, and probably will have a different socket.

By the way, games are already using more than 4 cores. I have tested with Fallout 4 and it uses all 8.

Still, I think Coffee Lake is just Intel struggling to stay present in the mid-range market.
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IIRC, nvidia is supposed to be comming out with a 1070ti that has a similar amount of power to an original 1080. But that's just rumors until they announce it...
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Interesting on the cannon lake. So if you in the market for a board and cpu itís prob best to wait it out?

Just got word of a i5 - 7500 for R2100 so +_ 150 usd. So might take that opportunity and will then spend a bit more on gpu
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I wouldn't wait for Cannonlake. It's been announced for who knows how long. It will be overpriced anyways.

I don't know how taxes are in your area, but that deal seems good. I would take it if you won't be overclocking. It will make your build a lot cheaper if you don't overclock. Although you may have to upgrade sooner. But an I5 7500+GTX 1060 combo is good for now, and will be for a while. Besides 6Gb of VRAM is more than enough to for 720p, and for 1080p too.

You should also consider the RX 500 series from AMD. You'd get a little more VRAM and Crossfire ability, so that's something to think about.
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Cool. Prob going to with the i5 and gtx 1070 but will look at amd option.

Thanks again to all for feedback. Glad I signed up.

Might be forced into making a quick decision as my mobo just gave me a scare - see my new post:

http://www.computerforums.org/forums...d.php?t=230279
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Are you on 1080p/60Hz?
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