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Old 07-27-2005, 05:49 PM   #1
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I know this might sound a little dumb but i have always wondered this... is it possible to somehow delete the sam security system files off of a computer? I was thinking that if deleted the encryptian system would be destroyed and everything would go haywire. I have heard that the sam files on a computer cannot be copied, moved, deleted, renamed, etc. So I was wondering if it was possible and the probable post effects.
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Old 07-27-2005, 06:30 PM   #2
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I have heard that the sam files on a computer cannot be copied, moved, deleted, renamed, etc. So I was wondering if it was possible and the probable post effects.
You can alter SAM files(as well as the registry), with a software like this:
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Old 07-27-2005, 11:43 PM   #3
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Ah thx... i actually got that software as well as a few others and was able to get my hashed password and crack it... i guess i need to up my security
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I know this might sound a little dumb but i have always wondered this... is it possible to somehow delete the sam security system files off of a computer? I was thinking that if deleted the encryptian system would be destroyed and everything would go haywire. I have heard that the sam files on a computer cannot be copied, moved, deleted, renamed, etc. So I was wondering if it was possible and the probable post effects.
This is illegal, unfortunately it seems that you used the link that exOr5i5t gave you, before another mod had chance to delete it [it is deleted now], using that to delete a security system is further illegallity,be warned.
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Old 07-28-2005, 08:02 AM   #5
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You can alter SAM files(as well as the registry), with a software like this:
You shouldn't have offered the link to elmonomalo, he got it & used it before a mod edited your post, deleting it, you were helping him to commit an illegal act, as you can see, I have warned him.
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Old 07-28-2005, 02:55 PM   #6
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That software is completely legal, as long as your going to be doing this on your own system that is; and he was. The only time this could be illegal is if you will be using it on someone elses system to crack their password. So going with your logic, bittorrent is illegal? I don't see how this software is any different from bittorrent. You can use bittorrent to get copyrighted materials yes; but you don't have to. You can use bittorrent for legiminate purposes as well such as downloading Linux distrobutions. The software that I linked, has legiminate purposes, for example if you forget your password you can reset it. The point of this program is to be helpful to you the windows user, not to be an "1337 h4x0r" and crack someone elses machine because that's just lame. So if I was to link Nmap that would be "illegal" as well? Seriously this is just ridiculous because all of these softwares have legiminate purposes. I would appreciate an explanation mods on how this is "illegal".
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Yes sorry for the confusion mods maybe i should've asked this on another forumn... I was just trying to see if i could hack my own security and better my knowledge with encryptian.
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Yes sorry for the confusion mods maybe i should've asked this on another forum... I was just trying to see if i could hack my own security and better my knowledge with encryptian.
Initially you didn't make it clear that you needed it for your own PC, as you see, XoOr5i5t has explained this, I'm sure you're on the correct forum by the way, & thanks for getting back to me, I'm double-checking with another mod, & will get back to you soon.
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Of course there's always the possibility they test it on THEIR pc first then do it on someone else's later.
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Of course you could just enable NT hash and this tool would quickly become useless. To enable NT hash go here:

\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\Lsa

Once in the Lsa directory add a new binary value (if not already there) called 'nolmhash' then set 'nolmhash' to 1 to enable it and 0 to disable it. There is ways to get around even this, but it involves much more effort.
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Yes sorry for the confusion mods maybe i should've asked this on another forumn... I was just trying to see if i could hack my own security and better my knowledge with encryptian.
My mod colleagues haven't got back to me, but I am satisfied, sorry I haven't got back to you before this
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Old 08-01-2005, 01:14 PM   #12
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no problem... i understand your concern. As for RewtGuy i don't appreciate your ad hominem remarks... i don't crack peoples' computers, that is just lame and stupid.

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Of course you could just enable NT hash and this tool would quickly become useless. To enable NT hash go here:

\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Contr ol\Lsa

Once in the Lsa directory add a new binary value (if not already there) called 'nolmhash' then set 'nolmhash' to 1 to enable it and 0 to disable it. There is ways to get around even this, but it involves much more effort.
This will disable the viewing of the MD4 hash or what? If so what about the LanMan Hash can't that still leak some secrets?
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no problem... i understand your concern. As for RewtGuy i don't appreciate your ad hominem remarks... i don't crack peoples' computers, that is just lame and stupid.



This will disable the viewing of the MD4 hash or what? If so what about the LanMan Hash can't that still leak some secrets?
You say I offended Rewt Guy by making "ad hominem" remarks, I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that term, would you enlighten me please, [I'm serious ].
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Of course there's always the possibility they test it on THEIR pc first then do it on someone else's later.
RewtGuy made this statement earlier which i though was ad hominem...
I wasn't reffering to you I was reffering to him talking about me.

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This will disable the viewing of the MD4 hash or what? If so what about the LanMan Hash can't that still leak some secrets?
LM hash is a old hash type used in mainly older OS's such as win3.1, win95, win98, winME, etc any win9x based OS basically will use this hash type. As you probably know, this is no good because passwords with LM hashes are really easy to crack. If you go into your registry and do as I mentioned earlier setting 'nolmhash' to 1 you will actually disable the use of LM hashes on your NT based system and only NT hashes will be used. Heres the full version I wrote for another forum, I suggest you give it a read:

http://67.83.23.11:3/forum/viewtopic.php?t=608

Do that, then try to crack your windows password with the software I mentioned originally. Once you are only storing NT hashes on your system you would have to follow my
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RewtGuy made this statement earlier which i though was ad hominem...
I wasn't reffering to you I was reffering to him talking about me.

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OK, thanks for clearing this up.
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Good Day Everyone,

I am creating a website about Personal Computer Security, Spyware first.

I really need some assistance with this project, there is more to this project, we are also creating a program which will terminate malicious processes and more as the project progresses.

If you are willing to join as a voluntary staff member, please contact me at hextcomm@yahoo.com.

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Good Day Everyone,

I am creating a website about Personal Computer Security, Spyware first.

I really need some assistance with this project, there is more to this project, we are also creating a program which will terminate malicious processes and more as the project progresses.

If you are willing to join as a voluntary staff member, please contact me at hextcomm@yahoo.com.

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This website will include tips, tricks, solutions, and a large Database of information to help anyone with any spyware problems solve it well.

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This will include information on how to avoid being Hacked, to prevent spyware and viruses, and adware, pop-up management, and solutions. tips, tricks.

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