Well its going to be BRAND NEW, I called cingular, and they are sending me a new one, and Im sending mine back, improves value, so I just told them a bs story, and they are gona send one out...Well, on ebay the phone goes for 180-200...So something in there..lol have u ever bought anything from here, I see you say Ill buy it, but then say I need to find the money...