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Old 03-02-2018, 07:14 AM   #1
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Not sure if this is allowed on this forum, feel free to delete it it isn't.

Youtube has gone downhill for a lot of content creators because of the adpocalypse.
It's hurting a lot of our favorite creators. Specially more "controversial" channels that covers things such as politics, religion, satire, swords and firearms.
Also movies, shortfilms, gaming and animation (if it's not child friendly).

One of my favorite youtuber Joerg Sprave (2 million subs channel) is trying to but together a youtube union.
He is a youtuber that is very well known in the sword community (which i happen to spend a good amount of my youtube watching on).
He is trying to put some pressure on youtube. The video will explain it all.

2 big youtubers in the sword community that are likely gonna join is Skallagrim and ZombieGoBoom.
Which means even more members from their subscribers are gonna join.
If we can get some of the big firearms channels on his side, that will really make this explode.

We are only 6 hours in (video has only been up for 2 hours) and we are already 750 strong.
If you enjoy any of the above subjects on youtube, maybe give Joerg a chance.

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I don't see why this wouldn't be allowed, but, I do disagree with the premise, and some statements in the video.
Generally I find the whole thing both stupid and at times comes accross as arrogant.

He says that he helped build you tube! and he keeps coming back to this, keeps saying how he helped build youtube...
But... well... lets put it this way.
he joined you tube in 2009, years AFTER youtube had grown enough for a $1.6Bn google buy out.

Don't misunderstand me, his channel is awesome, but, No, he didn't help build you tube, he gave a few people (myself included) a few laughs by dicking about in the woods with a slingshot.


You tube haven't blacklisted people sling shotting knives through watermelons in the woods for "fun", it's not personal, they are not targetting him.
They are blacklisting those videos that advertisers don't want to be seen to be endorsing.
A lot of huge companies, don't want their adverts being played, implying support for videos with weapons in them. or to be seen to be endorsing anything that shows people doing stuff where they may be hurt etc...

The point here is that, if you tube do not moderate the videos that they put adverts onto, then advertisers will not put adverts on you tube... then it's not just his channel that won't get money, it'll be ALL channels, as with no "advertiser friendly" content, there is no "advertiser money"


he claims "they" use his content to "lure" people to you tube, but then goes on to say that he's not in features or trending. - so how exactly are youtube "using" his video to lure people in?


Don't misunderstand, his channel is fun, his videos make me laugh, and I really do understand that he's had a pretty cool ride for a few years getting paid to mess about on a camera, and it kind of sucks to loose that easy ride...
The thing is, most of these people who are making loads of money on you tube are not just getting ad revenue, they are getting sponsored by square space or audible, they have T shirt stores, they do featured content using patreon, they have multiple streams of business.
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I get what you are saying. But replace "I" and "Me" with "we" and "us"
Because that's really what it's about and that is ofcause what he is talking about, but he can only speak from his own experience.
And it is true. He is a VERY small part, but a part non the less, in making youtube a great platform.

What he said about youtube featuring videos, is that if the video is demonetized it will not be suggested to people who might wanna see it based on that users interest. Therefore screwing with the creators and users.

I am not an expert on youtube, but half of the youtubers i watch have complained about not getting paid properly (if at all) for more than a year now.
If it wasn't for users willing to donate money on patreon, we would have lost a lot of big creators.... actually i believe we already have.
No time for a "real" job, family life AND youtube.

---------- Post added at 09:22 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:21 PM ----------

Btw. We are 4000 strong already.
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Just like with just about all YouTube videos I've ever seen, I got totally bored with his video about 25% thru and didn't watch the rest of it. If YouTube went away tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it as most of the stuff on it is pure drivel.
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Okey. So you aren't one of those we need for this movement.
That's fine. We need some people who aren't so boring as you are anyway.

We need people who will take action, who raise attention. That's how we win this.
I, as a user, are tired of being begged for money by the content creators we watch because they aren't paid enough to keep their channel going.
Youtubers should be paid their worth. That's what we are fighting for.

Youtube are giving in too easily by big companies because of "controversial" topics, even though they have no issues putting their commercials on other real catastrophic events or other braking news.

Double standards. That's what it is. Old outdated commercial people are not understanding the new world.
And youtube aren't defending it. They should.
If not, it's just yet again a bunch of "YES People" at the meeting, agreeing with the highest bidder.
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btw. We are 5000 now. Just 20 hours in.
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Why do you need a 20 min video to explain what could be said in 3 lines? Boy I hate rants so much...

YouTube has too many ads, and too many crappy channels making money from ridiculous content. I hope YT keeps the new policy.
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Okey. So you aren't one of those we need for this movement.
That's fine. We need some people who aren't so boring as you are anyway. ...
I'm boring because I find most of the drivel on YouTube boring? Hah! I love it! Maybe I'm not so easily amused as minions such as yourself.
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I feel you are fighting for idiots you don't know so that they can keep making money by posting unoriginal content on YouTube.

It's literally all YouTube is right now. The same goes for the Play Store. Filled with morons who make an app exactly like the other 50000 apps and games that already exist, but with a different GUI and make a load of money off ads and purchases. Search for "idle" and you'll see what I'm talking about. The idiocy of this century evidenced in a single page. Here you go: https://play.google.com/store/search?q=Idle

Some other marvelous examples:

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=review&sm=3
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=prank&sm=3
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=you%...20believe&sm=3
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=tutorial&sm=1
https://m.youtube.com/results?q=top%2010&sm=3

Open all those links and your IQ will drop 25 points. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Why the hell would I want to support those lazy, imbecilic leeches? I hate them.
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I use YT for information (laptop teardowns, recipes, etc) and some entertainment. Most of it is crap in my eyes but my interests are not everyone's interests. I think the new "guidelines" against new or smaller creators are BS, though. All the big boys started out as small unknowns but now YT is telling all the small unknowns that they are effectively shut out of ever getting anywhere on the platform.

Income generated on YT comes from ads. The more views of a said video the more income generated by the ads on/with that video. If people find it interesting for whatever inane reason then it becomes successful.

The stupidity runs high in a lot of the crap on there. I just choose to not watch it.
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I am not a minion. I just care about the youtubers who provide good content for me to watch after a stressful day at work. That's it really.
Anyway, I am just helping in racing awareness about the union.

8100 member btw.
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I have three friends who are truckers and i stay in contact with them on you tube. I love the camera shots of the drive. One has 4 cameras on his rig. The other two have two each. Makes me feel at home on the road again.
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I love YouTube. So many interesting stuff to see. I like stuff like how it's made, road rage situations, real time crime, music, guitar stuff, guns, games, quizzes, etc. It keeps going.

I never monetized any of my video as I posted them for the guys like you.
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Just like with just about all YouTube videos I've ever seen, I got totally bored with his video about 25% thru and didn't watch the rest of it. If YouTube went away tomorrow, I wouldn't miss it as most of the stuff on it is pure drivel.
I would totally miss it, I cannot remember the last time I sat down and watched a series on TV, but, I'll happily sit all day watching you tube channels.

I tend to watch basically three "types" of video, either straight up entertainment, (like mighty car mods, road kill, documentary channels, stuff like vice, etc.)
Music
Tutorials.

it's that last one I tend to hate the most, there are a lot of content "creators" on youtube that are actually just "youtube regurgitators" or "youtube fakers"

I'm pretty sure anyone who ever went to you tube to learn something knows what i'm on about. It's like there are guys that bought a camera a couple of years ago, started watching some good tutorials, then thought "how hard could it be"... literally watching some content, or reading chapters from a book. it's not good, it's not engaging, it's obviously fake.

I also know what you're talking about with the 25% bored issue, I believe that youtube have a minimum video length for being advertiser friendly, thus, simple subjects are drawn out into a ten minute sprawling rambling mess.
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I get what you are saying. But replace "I" and "Me" with "we" and "us"
I still don't really agree, firstly, if he meant "we" he should have said "we". it's not like that was live, he had all of the rest of his life to make that video say exactly what it needed to say.

Also regardless of what he meant to say, it is an issue for me that most of these adpocalyse complaints really seem to show a huge sense of entitlement.

there are a bunch of people saying that they "deserve" money, they "deserve" to have advertisers pay them, they "don't care" what advertisers want, and what sort of content that advertisers want to have their videos on they just want the money, and if they can't have the money then they won;t make videos any more.

I feel that this is silly for a number of reasons.
first, if you made distributing videos for free on the internet your primary source of income, then, I have no sympathy for the person who never thought that people might stop looking at their content. I mean it's not like previously really popular you tube channels hadn't gone downhill before now!

second, it seems to show a HUGE misunderstanding of how things work. back in broadcast TV, brands get to buy targeted ad space, like you have companies who pay a premium for the first ad in the superbowl half time. you have brands that pay a premium for adverts in the shows that will be on whilst people are eating, or less of a premium at 3am when people are sleeping. you get to buy channels and time slots...

on you tube, you don't get to do that. you get to target a type of user inside vague boundaries, but, I'm sure you'll probably recall (as a male) that you've probably seen adverts for make up, or high heels, etc, for that advertiser, that's a waste of money.
then you have situations where advertisers, (like KFC) have found that they are the advert playing before some sort of PETA KFC cruelty video. - you see how the advertiser gets shafted there, not only do they pay to advertise to people who (if watching Peta videos) are clearly not going to be buying their stuff, but also they just gave Peta money to start more campaigns to harass them with.

so as advertiser cannot (short of direct sponsoring "this video is sponsored by audible/squarespace") advertise on specific videos, the advertisers, (the ONLY people who are actually making youtube worth running to google!) are asking, "can you ensure that adverts are ONLY shown on family friendly content."


And yes, it truely sucks that pewdie pie made nazi jokes, it truely sucks that anti terrorism adverts paid for by governments were shown before and therefore funded jihadi recruitment videos, it sucks that there were all those videos marked as "child friendly" that weren't, that were shown in the youtube kids app (where there is no direct "report" button) and that those videos were ad sponsored... and yes it sucks that Logan Paul put a dead body on youtube, and that video was ad sponsored.

And it really sucks that "innocent parties" appear to be caught up in it...
but as I said, these guys are not innocent parties. whilst the sling shot channel isn't showing bodies, or making nazi jokes, or targeting sexualised content to children, it is still a channel that suggests that it's pretty cool to fire knives from slingshots, (and it is) but it's not great if you are a company like walmart that sell sling shots that might have a "come to walmart" ad followed by a now see what you could do with the knives and slingshots that you can buy there video!


(it's not an issue specific to the sling shot channel it's just an easy example.
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from 12:10 pretty much says what I said above, with a real example.

Advertisers tried to opt out of "sensative" content, but still found their ads appear on info wars. the advertisers response is to just stop paying youtube. - that's why this is happening.

Content creators, (Alex Jones included) believe that they make you tube great, but its the advertisers that make youtube possible, regardless of how many content creators try to unionize,
if the top content creators go, they will be replaced by all the people just itching to take their spot.
if the advertisers go, so does the platform,
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Not throttling internet speeds yet but they are throttling internet information.

I've never been too crazy about info wars but Im gonna have to agree with razorfist on this one.

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