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Old 11-07-2013, 11:13 AM   #51
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Cant even compare driving conditions in the USA to the UK the UK is a tiny island in comparison. The UK is 94,251 sq mi the USA is 3,794,083 sq mi. I know of places here in Az that has abandoned cars because people drove them down but could not get them up. If you want to see some of the great outdoors here in America a truck with 4x4 is a necessity. I used to drive 100 miles to work in the winter from upper Michigan if I drove a hatchback in the winter I would now be dead.
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Current rig is a VW Touareg. Awesome in foul weather and on rugged terrain. It tows, holds a bunch of stuff and doubles as an emergency hotel room

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Looking at fords website it seems that if you were towing a 10,000lb trailer you'd likely be over the gross combined weight figures anyway (for the 2014 model).

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The landrover discover can tow more than the f150 truck, it's got 7 seats. Seems more practical???
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Looking at fords website it seems that if you were towing a 10,000lb trailer you'd likely be over the gross combined weight figures anyway (for the 2014 model).

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The landrover discover can tow more than the f150 truck, it's got 7 seats. Seems more practical???
Who said they were towing a 10,000lb trailer with an F150?

I mentioned towing a 10,000lb trailer and I guarantee my 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD is rated to tow more than a Landrover Discovery. I wouldn't even consider using a Discovery as a tow vehicle as it's wheelbase is too short. Short wheelbase vehicles make poor tow vehicles for a 30ft trailer since the trailer can exert too much force.
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Who said they were towing a 10,000lb trailer with an F150?
my mistake, you're not... but the point still stands, the F150 or F series in general is the most popular vehicle in the world. sure it has it's fans. but utility wise, if you need a family car, you're better off with a Land rover, if you need a towing car you're better off with a land rover, if you want a car that you can take to building sites and get muddy, you're better off with a land rover. and if you want a pick-up truck, then you aren't getting a great deal with a crew cabbed truck F150. the point I was making... That particular car is popular, in fact most popular. but for all the reasons that people say that they want "that" car, there are better cars that fit their reasons better. in fact to all intent and purpose. if you think you need an f150 crew cab for towing and carrying family then there are better cars out there, if you need a pick up then there are better trucks out there.

you kind of prove the point when you say yourself that the f-150 doesn't fit your needs because you need an even better towing car!

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I mentioned towing a 10,000lb trailer and I guarantee my 2005 Chevy Silverado 2500HD is rated to tow more than a Landrover Discovery. I wouldn't even consider using a Discovery as a tow vehicle as it's wheelbase is too short. Short wheelbase vehicles make poor tow vehicles for a 30ft trailer since the trailer can exert too much force.
how do you mean that the trailer exerts too much force? what particular forces are you talking about? a properly loaded well balanced trailer towed at the correct speeds etc shouldn't really put any forces on the tow vehicle. (besides the obvious dragging a crap load of weight around) but nothing adverse or that would affect the tow vehicle.



Another consideration that you probably have to consider is that in the UK there are restrictions on licenses. in regards what you can tow with what license.
For example your car, combined with your trailer would need a truck license to use on a road.


which is what my first post was about...

in the UK, most of which was built before anyone really thought of roads, and certainly before cars. most of the large American styled trucks are not practical, we have narrow roads, with corners in them.

The fact that you are in America, (where the roads are different) and tow a trailer (that requires a specialist car, and in the UK would require a specialist license) doesn't change the point that ssc456 was right. owning a large SUV truck in the UK is a bit foolish. especially when you compare it to other cars better suited to the market as they are designed specifically with concerns of the intended country in mind.

Large trucks designed for the American market work well in the American market. it's got nothing to do with cost or gas mileage. (if you can afford to run a large car you can afford to run a large truck. and to be honest there is only about 5 - 10 MPG difference between the truck that you're driving and the car my dads driving...) the conditions are just different here.
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How many bales of hay can you put in a land rover? how may bags of cement can you put in a land rover? how many sheets of drywall can you stack in a land rover? How many sheets of plywood can you put in a land rover? What do you think people just go to building sites and just drive around? They go with loads of 2x6 or 2x4. Land rover is over priced and unreliable. But they have nice seats and a cool stereo.
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How many bales of hay can you put in a land rover? how may bags of cement can you put in a land rover? how many sheets of drywall can you stack in a land rover? How many sheets of plywood can you put in a land rover? What do you think people just go to building sites and just drive around? They go with loads of 2x6 or 2x4. Land rover is over priced and unreliable. But they have nice seats and a cool stereo.
ummm... to be honest, with all the seats folded flat more than you can fit into the bed and crew cab with fixed seats) of the f-150.

if you can't figure that one out then there is little hope.

as for sheets of drywall, you can't lay these flat in the bed of a crew cab truck, so once again you're looking at needing to tow a trailer to get this done...

and if you;re talking of stacking things on the roof of the truck, then again these can be carried on the roof bars of one vehicle just as easily as they can be carried on the roof bars of another vehicle...

and once again, the discovery has a greater towing capacity that the f-150...


you do understand that the land rover is an agricultural vehicle, and meant for putting bales of hay into.
This vehicle has just as much place on "city" streets as a large SUV pick-up -i.e. none.

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but, just for the record.
you have once again missed the whole point.

the discussion is whether these vehicles are needed by the people who tend to buy them, and usually the answer is emphatically no.

people aren't buying the Ford F-150 because it's a great vehicle with tons of utility, because there are better cars out there with more utility. they are buying it cause they like the way it looks.

and that's fine.
I buy lots of things because I like the way that they look.
but then I'm quite honest about it, I don't need to pretend (when I live in a city) that I really need a huge car that's designed for wide open roads. when the longest journey I have is a 3 mile school run. why do I need a huge truck capable of pulling 6 tonnes?


To be honest, I don't really care what car you have, or think you need. the point I'm making is that the Ford F series is the best selling car in the world because it's a fashion statement rather than because it's a good car. it sells well to people who want to look like that guy on (insert crappy reality TV show here)
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how do you mean that the trailer exerts too much force? what particular forces are you talking about? a properly loaded well balanced trailer towed at the correct speeds etc shouldn't really put any forces on the tow vehicle. (besides the obvious dragging a crap load of weight around) but nothing adverse or that would affect the tow vehicle. ...
In a perfect world "a properly loaded well balanced trailer towed at the correct speeds" would be adequate to pull with a short wheelbase vehicle in a straight line, however, we also need to contend with things like crosswinds and bow waves caused by passing 18 wheelers (do they have those in the UK?). If some force (like the wind) pushes the trailer sideways, a long wheelbase vehicle with substantial mass is more capable of maintaining control than a short wheelbase vehicle.

As far as your point of someone being better off buying a LR instead of a Ford F150, you may have a point but a quick check showed me that the lowest cost LR starts at around $37,000 while the lowest cost F150 starts at around $25,000. In the American market, price is probably the determining factor. Your comment about an F150 being a fashion statement strikes me as funny since that's what I would think of someone who bought a LR.
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Good luck fitting that in your land rover.



cant fit drywall?

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