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Old 03-25-2009, 12:39 AM   #51
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There are homeless and jobless, and uneducated, people in china, tere is still carious people in different tiers of wealth and class as well. there are sill upper class Chinese people and lower class
China's government isn't true communism anymore. Look at north korea. There's lots of poor people there. And they're stricter than China. But you will always have different classes, at least with the way that every government has ever been run.
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Old 03-25-2009, 12:56 AM   #52
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The theory of communism is good. But the "top-dogs" can't really make good use of it.
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Old 03-25-2009, 06:39 AM   #53
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I don't understand why everyone seems to think that in communism everyone gets paid the same, and there is no need to strive to survive, like somehow the person who makes a loaf of bread would get the same amount for making a car. or running government... it just doesn't work like that.

since every time someone says something about china and communism the only thing that can be said in response is, well china's not truely communist country...

let look at soviet russia from the past.

not everybody got paid the same, teachers would get a wage, factory workers would get a different wage, politicians would get a different wage, engineers would get a different wage.

there was still higher paid and lower paid jobs.

you say capitalism makes people want to better themselves so they can be something like lets say a teacher rather than a farm hand as they get paid more.

but this exact same model was used in communist Russia, teachers got paid more than farm hands, thus there was financial incentive to better yourself...

and whilst we're playing that game of saying that capitalism is better than communism, and we're ignoring all good points about china by saying that it's not truly communist, well, given that America is in the process of nationalising large firms by giving mass bailouts, America is not truly capitalist either.

so if we can't use china as a capitalist success story, then we can't use America as a capitalist success story either...
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We all know lazy people who, if they had the choice of having everything handed to them, would do so.
I think ANYONE would make that choice. Its just a matter of how quick you are to take the free lunch.
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Lol if only things were that simple: either bad or good. It's not, the world is gray for the most part. Furthermore, an ideology can't be bad or good really because that's an interference from opinion and not fact. In this case, the intentions of the ideology originating from Marxism are noble: that is, to create a "Utopian" society for the working class: everyone gets equal pay, the government controls the private sector, farming etc.

Good idea, but.....

In reality, this has been experimented with and essentially proven to not work in practice. Unfortunate, but true.

We all want to be rewarded for what we produce in our society, thus it makes sense to evaluate us differently from one another. Communism doesn't work because it stems creativity and motivation among many other things.

But to reiterate, communism isn't bad. I'll go so far as to say one of my favorite lines by Churchill actually: "Capitalism is the worst form of economic organization except for all the others"
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Old 03-26-2009, 05:48 AM   #56
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Has anyone ever actually read anything about Marxist theory.

I think that is says something like
"To Work equally, and to get paid Equally"...

So yes, the idea is that people get paid fairly for the work that they do. not that everyone in the country gets exactly the same amount everyday regardless of what job they do.

so still teachers who have a higher skilled job than ditch diggers would get paid more, because they are being paid for their work and the quality of their work.

there is nothing in communist theory that denies people the idea of bettering themselves or being rewarded for that.
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^ I've read parts of the communist manifesto.

Many people have to understand where the idea of communism comes from. Though it may seem stupid, when marx proposed the first ideas of communism in the 19th century, he was basing it upon the struggles of the lower class.

This really explains the thought behind communism

"Marxism sees the proletariat (wage labourers) and bourgeoisie as directly waging an ongoing class struggle, in that capitalists exploit workers and workers try to resist exploitation. This exploitation takes place as follows: the workers, who own no means of production of their own, must seek employment in order to make a living. They get hired by a capitalist and work for him, producing some sort of goods or services. These goods or services then become the property of the capitalist, who sells them and gets a certain amount of money in exchange. Part of this money is used to pay workers' wages, another part is used to pay production costs, and a third part is kept by the capitalist in the form of profit (or surplus value in Marxist terms). Thus the capitalist can earn money by selling the surplus (profit) from the work of his employees without actually doing any work, or in excess of his own work. Marxists argue that new wealth is created through work; therefore, if someone gains wealth that he did not work for, then someone else works and does not receive the full wealth created by his work. In other words, that "someone else" is exploited. In this way, the capitalist might turn a large profit by exploiting workers."

So obviously, he thought that the majority of people were exploited by the rich. Thus his basis for financial equality
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