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Old 01-29-2010, 01:11 AM   #11
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@Vampist: What Obama said regarding Republicans blocking bills is that now that they have the power to do so, they shouldn't do so just for blocking a democrat bill. And democrats also shouldn't block a Republican bill just for the sake of it.
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I completely agree that they should vote nay or yes based on their views of the particular bill. But what I am saying is I find it funny that he talks about the democratic majority (3:2) and then talks about how republicans are saying no.
If his bills were good and were views of the democratic party he could get it passed even if the entire republican party voted nay.
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I don't even get why people think Obama has done soo much. Seriously, why would you want a president that taxes the middle class/rich people? Isn't that the core principal to Socialism? Thats unfair to me and my family...it's just so everyone can have health care! I think he's a socialist too, because in socialism everybody has a "right" to health care. The way he is going with this the government will keep controlling more and more. This is just horrible

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Old 01-29-2010, 08:57 AM   #13
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Ok, so maybe he's a little socialist. Let's suppose that. What's wrong with socialism? Most successful federalisms have a hint of socialism in them.
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All respect to Obama, this sounded like 70 minutes of flip-flopping jabber-jawing if you ask me. He seemed like he was trying to cover himself more than give a speech on solutions. When he did discuss "solutions," they either were A--impossible to achieve, or B--left you clueless because it didn't make sense. I'm sorry to say this, but I feel that our president gave the worst speech of his career. He blamed Republicans for being to "partisan" because they want to stop health care reform. Now, although it's true that most Republicans don't want health care reform, it's evident that you can't blame Republicans for health care seemingly being brought to a halt. What's stopping health care reform is progressives, people who are putting out ads stating that they don't want "Obamacare." These people do consist of Republicans, but a lot of them are Independents telling their Democratic Senators, "Look, we voted you in, don't vote for this bill!" The Democrats have the majority in the Senate and Congress, if they want to be jerks about it, despite the polls saying that 80% of the American people like their current health care, they could pass health care reform. However, progressives have turned Democrat against Democrat to a certain degree, and now they're skeptical to pass health care reform because they don't want the people of their own state to hate them for it. The Tea Parties and other movements have helped too, but the deciding factor is that progressives have enabled Democrat to question Democrat.

That's just my opinion, but it's supported by facts.

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Ok, so maybe he's a little socialist. Let's suppose that. What's wrong with socialism? Most successful federalisms have a hint of socialism in them.
You don't understand. Given Obama's history, his speeches, the things that he wants to do, etc, if we enable him to implement some of his ideas onto the American people, our lives would not only change drastically, but it would open the floodgates for more socialist programs. Plus, socialism in other countries is awful, especially with health care. History has shown us, and our founding fathers warned us, that more government=less freedom.
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The theory is always "let the younger live first". The younger get higher priority on the treatment list. Which is not what America was founded on. Fairness in any and everything.

What I hate hearing is "McCain would have been much worse!" or "I'd like to see you do better!" Because both of those statements could very well be true, but it doesn't negate the fact that he's doing a piss-poor job and tending to the wrong issues first. Why the hell is he so caught up in this damn "health-care overhaul"? If the majority of the population has expressed that they do not wish to go through with this, then why is he still pursuing it? Shouldn't he be a bit more focused on finding a good way to deal with the economy instead of throwing more money at it?
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^^^ I was in the hospital, and I needed an ambulance ride. The first question my dad asked was if it was going to be paid for by insurance. Its EXPENSIVE. I've had a few close calls in my woodshop. The first thought I had was "If I cut my finger off, would I be able to drive my self, or would I need an ambulance" If it didn't cost about a grand for them to drive me a half mile to the hospital I know I wouldn't have that idea running through my mind. I know I'd have made the call if I needed to instead of possible hurting myself more by not.

So yea, it makes a lot of logistical sense, and that is just in getting to the hospital...
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A lot of people confuse socialism with communism. This annoys me. Socialism is not bad. Germany is a socialist country. Do you see them doing "piss-poor"? No. Obama has settled his priorities. Jobs. If you watch/listened his address that was his number one concern. However, he also gave a lot of attention to health-care. And I agree. Congressman should be able to work on various bills at the same time. I don't see why they have to waste time negating each other. It's pathetic. Another big issue this year will be the Supreme Court decision handed out about 2 weeks ago. It literally reversed 100 years of law.
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