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Old 07-28-2005, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default Something to point out

This is mainly in reply to the post Volcanic, but I though it deserved its own thread.

I'm just wondering how this is even right. Posting someone's E-mail address and IP address shouldn't be allowed. I'm guessing mods have access to all our personal information and can get it at any time they wish. There is nothing in the terms and conditions page that says you have access to personal info. Posting someone's IP can help hackers get into their PC. So, if someone post spam your going to open a gateway so their computer can be hacked by people?


As far as the mods go,

There should be some restrictions on their mod powers. I think they should only be allowed to ban/unban people, delete post, and keep the forums running correctly. There is no need for them to know where I live or anything else. This isn't helping them with keeping CF running smoothly.
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Old 07-28-2005, 10:12 AM   #2
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This is mainly in reply to the post Volcanic, but I though it deserved its own thread.
rightly so

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I'm just wondering how this is even right. Posting someone's E-mail address and IP address shouldn't be allowed.
not at all. its a violation of trust and privacy.

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I'm guessing mods have access to all our personal information and can get it at any time they wish.
they have your ss#, credit card history and even the exact words you said when you proposed to you s.o. (if you have a s.o.)

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There is nothing in the terms and conditions page that says you have access to personal info.
its right there at the bottom in font size 2

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Posting someone's IP can help hackers get into their PC. So, if someone post spam your going to open a gateway so their computer can be hacked by people?
spammers are evil. all spammers must die a horrible death. we are being lenient.

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As far as the mods go,
mods go nowhere. they are chained to their computers; the halls are all booby-trapped. Any attempt to escape will be futile.

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There should be some restrictions on their mod powers. I think they should only be allowed to ban/unban people, delete post, and keep the forums running correctly.


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There is no need for them to know where I live or anything else. This isn't helping them with keeping CF running smoothly.
it helps them find alternative accounts
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:00 AM   #3
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"mods go nowhere. they are chained to their computers; the halls are all booby-trapped. Any attempt to escape will be futile."

damn, ur a funny guy. (no sarcasm [sp?]) You have made me laugh atleast 2 times today, and it ain't even 6pm yet.

And to computerlover, u got some good points there. But as Tulsileaf said: "spammers are evil. all spammers must die a horrible death." and I'll have to agree with him.
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:03 AM   #4
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I'm just wondering how this is even right. Posting someone's E-mail address and IP address shouldn't be allowed. I'm guessing mods have access to all our personal information and can get it at any time they wish. There is nothing in the terms and conditions page that says you have access to personal info. Posting someone's IP can help hackers get into their PC. So, if someone post spam your going to open a gateway so their computer can be hacked by people?


As far as the mods go,

There should be some restrictions on their mod powers. I think they should only be allowed to ban/unban people, delete post, and keep the forums running correctly. There is no need for them to know where I live or anything else. This isn't helping them with keeping CF running smoothly.
Posting someones IP address is standard scare-mongering tactics on forums throughout the world, since it points people directly to you... posting an email address is just as annoying because then people get emails from irrate members when they are banned, also there is a chance that the email will be picked up by spam spiders and addeed to a database... -as far as deterrents go, I think it's a pretty good one. -I mean you won't be doing anything wrong because you're now paranoid that if you do your IP/email will be posted and lots of bad things will happen...

Aside from that...
posting your IP address won't harm you, simply because you have a dynamic IP address, next time you turn off your computer it'll change, You've only made 4 posts up to now, and they have been from 2 different IP addresses...
You've got more chance of being hit by a worm that scans IP addresses methodically to make sure that no address is missed out.

It's not just the mods that post IP/email details David does as well. in fact he does that more than the rest of us, so restricting what the mods can do isn't really of any help. this problem (if you see it as a problem) will still be there.

You can't get any personal details from the IP address, besides a vague area of residence, and even that is non-confrmed -I mean we are talking regions like what country you are in, or what state, not what town. street or house number, only your ISP has access to that kind of information, -Which is why the RIAA have to petition for ISPs to hand over details once they've found out people sharing files... -There we are talking about a big industry, Even the police and FBI etc need to petition the ISP to find users location details, we are talking top level agencies there, certainly you shouldn't be worrying about some script kiddies!

So posting the IP address (far from opening the gateway to hackers) actually does no harm at all!!!

Mods need access to IP addresses.... there was a member who was banned a while back who kept comming back and opening new account specifically to fight with other members and try to ruin this place (Ironically enough they shared the same ISP as you!)... the mods needed access to the IP details so that they could Identify this person each time they came back and take some swift action to boot him back out again.

You say that there is nothing in the terms and conditions that says we have access to the IP address... well...
I'll point you in the direction of the rules
http://www.computerforums.org/rules.html

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Your personal information is not shared with any other companies/indviduals.
This statement alone implies that personal information is collected...

And before you say that posting the rules is breaking a contract with a member...
That contract is confirmed by both the members when they post and the forums as they post. If the members break the rules they have broken that contract and there is no obligation, (leagal or moral) for the forum and it's staff to stand by their commitments after the member has broken their commitments.


So You see.
Posting and IP does no harm,
we need to see and IP address to help this place run smoothly
it is announced that details are harvested, (if by nothing else then by the little button that says IP logged under each post!).
Whilst hackers can use the IP address there is a good chance that most people addresses would have changed if they are dynamic, secondly, a hacker can (and will) happen accross vulnerable PCs anyway, (your best chance is to keep up to date on patches)
and It is in the rules and it is promised that your information will never be shared, the only way this will ever happen is if you decide to break your contract with the forum...


If you don't go wrong, we can't go wrong either...
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Old 07-28-2005, 11:54 AM   #5
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lol... here ya go... after searching these forums last night I came across this. I thought the game was banned from this forum. Very weird topic.

http://www.computerforums.org/showth...ght=elitegamer

Also, this gives out his Home adress from what it looks like. So, yes you are in breach of member policy.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:08 PM   #6
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the only time i see that happen is when someone doesn't get the message and keeps and making acounts and spamming. i think 2 ppl have had there ISP called because of spamming so much.
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Tahts not his home address its the isp information.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:14 PM   #8
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I'm guessing there ISP didn't really care. Most ISP's don't really care.
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:26 PM   #9
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People shouldn't spam then
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Old 07-28-2005, 12:30 PM   #10
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yeah there is nothing in the agreement saying if you spam your IP will be posted! They should never happen again thanks computerlover for pointing this out
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