esa193, of course the baby will not remember pain if it is dead. All faculties stop working after life ends. What is to remember. And, why take their life. Please watch the Silent Scream. It is a great eye opener, and it will tell you the entire process. It is not bias, and it shows the baby suffering and everything. It is all factual. It is at www.silentscream.org/
Tool13, I'm sure I'd be kicked out of your debate class. I'm certain of it. However I'm not the only one here who said they didn't care. LOL!
As for the pain of feeling pain from a miscarriage, I know what it was like.
Oh, with all do respect, esa193, do you have authority to enforce rules here? I'm only asking since you said that YOU would not have any of this stuff said here. I'm not a rule breaker or somone who challenges rules and authority. I have respect for authority figures to the full xtent so long as they will not abuse their power and mistreat me. And, those who've dealt with me in the beginning when I misunderstood things could voutch for that. However, I do not want to be told what to do by someone who has a chip on their shoulder, as nobody should ever abuse their power. I spoke what I believe, and again, i'm sorry it offended anyone. Please, let's not get too sinacle or make a big stink over something so small. Opposing beliefs could offend me: however, I respect that those are the others beliefs, and I just agree to disagree. I'm just happy they are strong enough to speak their side and actually stand up for their beliefs as so few do anymore. But, when it comes to an innocent life, I will stand my ground. THAT, is more important than this women debate we have right now.
Our constitutional right was also the freedom of speech, and I exercised that right. I appologized, and I let you know where I stood. I come from that group. Sometimes, people get overly offensive and want everything to be politically correct, and as for me, i'm going to say that I refuse to be that way. what's more, political correctness is incorrect, and that is another debate for another time. It is just that it seems that you can't even be your own person anymore without being labeled as the bad guy or as being some intollerant person. I break that trend.
It would be different if I were a man saying those things.
Are you a man yourself? If so, why wouldn't you support my side of things? Don't you want things to be the way they were? It is very hard to treat a woman like a queen and the princess as she so very well deserves if she is treating you like a four legged creature. I just see women do that all too often, and i hate it, and I AM going to say something about it with all due respect. It torments me when many of my guyfriends are crying of heartache because their women totally screwed them over. Who do people think they are treating another like this? I feel that you are glossing over some of what I said. What I had asked in my above post is, What happened to respect?
Many modern women feel they own their man. You can't tell me you don't see it. If you also really want to get technical, the way a woman was engineered as far as body makeup goes, she is weaker than a man. that is why the man's role is to take care of her and not disrespect her like perverts would. For centuries, women took care of domesic duties, and they even owned land, crops and the like. They were not totally powerless. they had a major part in decision making, and they had a say in the way things ran. It is just that the men took care of the hard parts. They went out, faught forthe family in battle, an labored so the family would hav what they needed. Women were major helps to the men in battle during the Civil War and other wars through history, and they were given credit for this. I wasn't speaking from a shovenistic point of view. There are both sides to it. LT ME EXPLAIN WHAT I meant by women verses man roles before i'm accused of being something i'm not.
The man is the head running the house. This is a very weighty responsibility as he has to provide for the family, protect his wife as she is precious, and protect the offspring. He is responsible for the outcomes of all of his decisions, as he decides what is best for the wellfare of his household. Should he not do this, should he abuse his wife and kids, then he is no better than in infidel. It makes him worthless aka deadbeat dads.
The women are responsible for domestic affairs. They ensure that the kids ar well cared for on the home front, and they support their husbands. They are there for them when the husband is ill, and he is there likewise. They take care of all the things at home. they are the ones who ensure that the children get into the house safely off the school bus so they are not latch key children coming home to an empty house being able to get into trouble as I had been as a child. Women have a huge role. They are responsible for molding the minds of our future. I'd feel honored to take part in helping our future.
The problem is today that nobody follows their rol. Men become sperm donors, and the women are seeking selfish pleasures feeling that everyone owes them everything. And, where do the kids stand?
I do have alot of respect for all the women who do not fall in that category and for all the men who do take care of their women and childr as you should.
I just feel that if people stuck to their roles, it would preserve the family structure. Things would run smoothly. The family is decaying more and more today. There is no denying it. Everyone has a place in the household, even the children. If everyone knows their place, things are going to run smoother. This does not only apply in the home but also in the office, too. The company would fail if people try to do duties that were not theirs to do. What more important place to follow this structure than in the family? This is all I was saying.
Back to our original debates unless you do feel you want to comment, wich I'll be more than happy to, again, hear your side of things.
Tool13, I will look around for unbiased sources this week, and i'll report back to you.
I hav no hard feelings toward anyone here. I just stand up for what i believe and have a very strong backbone. It is too bad you ar considered to be offensive just because you stand up for your beliefs.