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Old 08-02-2010, 11:19 AM   #21
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I was watching David Letterman and he asked a woman in the audience that involved guessing the name of a state. Guess what state she guessed? Cincinnati. Lol! Her chances of winning went to 0% as soon as she said that. It would suck to be her on that day...national TV network.
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Name a county starting with the letter U

Medical bankruptcy shouldn't even exist it shoudln't be possible to go into debit for a medical illness

Secondly one big way to fix this is reduce the liabity on doctors. My mom in her early days of nursing accidently gave the wrong medicence to a patient, completely honset and easily made mistake. She felt really bad for her mistake and did her best to correct in the best possible way, and it was eventually corrected unfortantely the patient did go through some pain.

Her punishment?

She was given training on how not to do thsi again (which she didn't

As per the patient did they sue? Did they get a large amount of money for their troubles? Not a dime...Why? Because the healthcare was free and it was a honset mistake. The worst that could of happened was that if their would of been a death and the family could prove it was pre-mediated mistake as in she did in purpose then she could get charged for murder.
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Old 08-03-2010, 03:17 AM   #23
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Many of my friends are americans

Manager: hasn't lived in the states for 13 yrs last visited 6 yrs ago
Buddy 1: hasn't lived in the states for 15 yrs has never visited the states after he left
Buddy 2: hasn't lived in the states for 3 yrs
Buddy 3: hasn't lived in the states for 19 yrs

Me haven't lived in the states for 5, dec 16 2005 is when I left.

We all have the same views for not going back to the states it basically comes down to the majority of Americans in our opinion as Americans are narrowminded...

Example A;

I just flew form Kosovo to ATL to visit my folks. A lady asked me "where I came from" I responded "kosovo"

Now she didn't know where this was, personally I don't blame her the country is very small and very new. I responded "It's by greece"

Her response "O that's by Hawaii isn't it"

Now I don't know about you, but in my personal opinion everything individual in the modern world should understand that Greece is not right next to Hawaii.

My 2 weeks in the states this time around I saw this quite often.

Or just the statements I went completely off on a family friend of us he went "We should just kill all those fucking muslims, all they are doing is killing us"

I responded "excuse me?" he went "look at Kosovo all those Muslims killing our troops" I went "Actually no one in Kosovo is getting killed in fact Detroit per capita murder rate is 5x higher then Kosovo, secondly we aren't there cause Muslims kill Americans we are there cause Christians AKA serbs started genocide against Muslims, thirdly have you ever even met a Muslim? They aren't any different then you, although a bit smarter maybe even in a war torn country where many professors and teachers were tortured and put to death therefore resulting in a lack of staff to teach new students, did I mention it was Christians that did that? Did I mention that it was only 10 yrs ago?"

In a small downtown bar in Neb I got a lot of people pissed off someone made some aggorant stupid statement went I went (really loud)
"this is a prime example of why the vast majority of the world believes Americans are dumbfucks, and their right too, now you people laughing at his dumbass need to go ahead and shut up cause chances are your just as dumb as him, if not dumber"
Can't remember what he said but it pissed me off.
Kosovo? So you're Albanian?
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Old 08-03-2010, 04:28 AM   #24
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And you came to that conclusion how?



Ok and it's very easy to say those things about poor people. We have so many subsidies and benefits it is unbelievable. Look at communist countries for an example, it's work or die in China and you only get benefits if you have a job. Did you actually see someone going through that or did MSNBC or someone else give you this version. In socialism there are always rich people and always poor people. This is a fact of life so get over it.
You know that this is nothing like the direction America is (potentially) headed, and it is not an all-inclusive view of socialism. Much of Europe has strong socialist influences in its government, and what you described isn't the case.



As far as what J posted, I completely understand where you are coming from, but unfortunately, it seems that for every person who legitimately needs Government income, there are two more abusing the system. I will give New Orleans as an example, because it is close to where I live, and I have witnessed the situation firsthand.

Since the government began the welfare program back in the 60's, it has changed from simply helping out single mothers into promoting teen pregnancy, broken families, and a pretty much helpless lifestyle. Most welfare families are multi-generational. The mother will have children with some random guy, he will leave almost immediately, she goes onto welfare. Pretty soon, she will have another child (usually with a different father) and another and another. As long as there is no father in the picture, she will continue to get welfare checks (which are actually decent income compared to some low-paying jobs). When the kids grow up, they were raised on the belief that the government can take care of them, so the cycle continues.

Please do not come in saying that welfare is their only option - it isn't. In some areas of new Orleans, work is so hard to find that I have seen fast food restaurants offering upwards of $12 an hour starting pay. They offer more like 8 in Baton Rouge. Last time I was in New Orleans, we tried to go eat at Wendy's. As it turned out, the restaurant was closed -on a Saturday at noon- because they couldn't find work.

This is why socialism doesn't work. It becomes a lifestyle of sitting on your ass and waiting for the government to intervene.

As far as socialized healthcare, my fears are this - the government is incredibly inefficient at pretty much everything it does, so why would healthcare be any different? There are also the issues of medical companies milking them for ridiculous amounts of money, because they can get it. They already do it to insurance companies, so why would it be any different? Again, I will give an example - I went in to an orthopedic center last week because of my broken arm, and they charged my insurance company $140 for a sling. Just a regular old one-size-fits-all sling that I could have gotten at rite-aid for $15. This kind of thing would probably get much worse if the government took over healthcare, plus the extreme inefficiency of the government, plus people who will start going to the hospital like every month because they have a cold and it would eventually bankrupt the country.

And I am not even getting into all the outsourcing, companies relocating, etc. that it would cause.

I welcome debate, just please keep it on topic, no personal attacks and such.
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Please do not come in saying that welfare is their only option - it isn't. In some areas of new Orleans, work is so hard to find that I have seen fast food restaurants offering upwards of $12 an hour starting pay. They offer more like 8 in Baton Rouge. Last time I was in New Orleans, we tried to go eat at Wendy's. As it turned out, the restaurant was closed -on a Saturday at noon- because they couldn't find work.
Socialism at it's worse.

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As far as socialized healthcare, my fears are this - the government is incredibly inefficient at pretty much everything it does, so why would healthcare be any different? There are also the issues of medical companies milking them for ridiculous amounts of money, because they can get it. They already do it to insurance companies, so why would it be any different? Again, I will give an example - I went in to an orthopedic center last week because of my broken arm, and they charged my insurance company $140 for a sling. Just a regular old one-size-fits-all sling that I could have gotten at rite-aid for $15. This kind of thing would probably get much worse if the government took over healthcare, plus the extreme inefficiency of the government, plus people who will start going to the hospital like every month because they have a cold and it would eventually bankrupt the country.
Capitalism at it's best.

the reason your insurance is charged so much is that they can get away with it.

I've often wondered (because we do have socialised healthcare in Britain) why it is that there is no 'oversight' in the matter.

we have primary care trusts here, they are like regional governmental departments for the health service, (that's not what they are, but it's a fairly good description).

the PCT covers hospitals in an area and controls funding...

what I don't understand is that the PCTs don't seem to work together to get savings.

but the question I have is why?

like you say that 1 sling costs $150 (or at least that's what's charged).
so after admin fee's are they honestly saying that they pay $100 for the sling?

why don't all the hospitals group together and bulk buy items at reduced cost?

I mean in a year you could almost guarentee that perhaps 1000 people will break their arms and require a sling, 400 will break a leg and require crutches.
1 million band aids will be required. 6 billion paracetamol will be dispensed etc...

all of these things don't 'go off' (well drugs have a use by date, but you can rotate stock and ensure that things get used up as the use by date is a long time in the future). and I'm not talking about sterile items, (which are also blister packed with a use by date).

then instead of paying $100 for a sling, the hospital is paying $1000 for 50 slings. ($20 each).

it's a funny thing, i don't want patient care to be run like a business, people shouldn't be moved in and out like sheep, but I do what the back end of a healthcare establishment to be run like a business.

that should be as simple as pooling HR resources so that instead of having five HR staff per hospital, you have 9 between two hospitals. buying items in bulk, forcing companies to give you the best deals.
standardising wages. etc etc etc...

there is nothing intrinsically wrong with having socialised healthcare, but you can't part socialise an industry in a capitalist country.


(compare this to the police), you don't get all the best police officers going to one particular town because it pays more, wages are more standardised, it's a socialist system run in a socialist way. standardising simple things ensures a consistent service across the board. -equal and fair access to all.

(and I know that's an over simplification too).
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Just because you lived in a country for a yr, doesn't mean you are from there.

No I'm American/German
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Just because you lived in a country for a yr, doesn't mean you are from there.

No I'm American/German
Okay, my bad.
Isn't that land still in dispute with the Serbs and Albanians?
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Be careful on who you ask that question lol, both saids say there is no dispute its ours. Actually it was a big joke for all of us there.
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The only problem with socialized health care is a lack of doctors. It takes most people anywhere between a week to two weeks to get a visit with their family doctor unless it's an emergency. As far as medical costs go, a sling coated me $15
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Be careful on who you ask that question lol, both saids say there is no dispute its ours. Actually it was a big joke for all of us there.
Yeah I don't like to talk about that much haha lots of racism!
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