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Old 03-27-2008, 03:04 AM   #1
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WESTON, Wis. — An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.

"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.

Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.

The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.

The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."

The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.

Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.

The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.

The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.

The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.
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This is what happens when parents put faith over medicine, the parents should have known better,im sorry if you think im being harsh but as a parent myself the one thing you don't do is leave a sick child for long, she had shown lots of symptoms, the nausea for more than a day or two should have been enough of a sign to go and have her checked out, they have been totally irresponsible.
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Once you become a father or mother you should to understand that you are respondent not only for yourself and for your kidds.
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That's what you get for depending on something that doesn't exist.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:05 PM   #5
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They're prayers did get answered. They just didn't yield to them which were the team of doctors that COULD HAVE cured the young girl without a problem. I consider myself extremely religous, and when the times get rough and almost impossible to cope with, You won't find me praying and asking for "materialistic" things to keep me happy, Rather I'll be praying that he opens my eyes to how I should approach the issues.

Alot of people have the misconception that God is some sort of Genie and he's here at our disposal to grant out any wishes that we ask of him, But it doesn't work that way. Why didn't God grant the wishes to the millions that prayed when Jesus was being nailed to the cross and killed? I couldn't imagine that.

Then you have those that will say, Well, If there's a God, Then why is this world in turmoil? If he reigns over all, Why doesn't he make all Great again? If he is the King of Kings, Why must things continue? Well, When people ask me that, I just simply reply.........Why is there a Hell?
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Because we're living on the Devil's playground and so God must play by his rules.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:54 PM   #7
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yeah, sad things like this happen. I do think that people have the right to do this, but the question here is that was it the girls choise or the parents choise? If the girl decided that she doesn't want to see a doctor then that's fine, but if it's how I think it is, that the parents made the choise, then it's just wrong.


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Made the 5 O'Clock news here... Police were saying that they are thinking of charging the parents with wrongful death.

I passed through that town on my way to a family friend's house in mid February... the only coffee house I saw was about half a mile from a doctor's office.... I'm wondering if that was their coffeshop. It's not like they didn't have the means to get her to a doctor or something...
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I saw the story on CNN. I am all for prayer but eventually you have to be smart enough to see that prayer doesn't always solve the problem.
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God just doesnt heal on a whim... That's what Jesus did a couple times back in the according to the STORIES, but nowadays, it just doesnt happen like that, you go to the doctor. Maybe they were hoping to be the first person to cure diabetes or something stupid, and then the dad would pronounce to the world he was Jesus, back for a visit.

Dieing of high blood suger though... That has to suck! I have been 800+ before I got diagnosed, and it did NOT feel good at all. But all it took was an IV for a couple days, and some time in bed and I was fine. That was really stupid on there part. No one has ever been cured of diabetes, so why would they be cured if they ignore what is given to them, asking for only exactly what they want...

Its like that Huckleberry Finn story where he prayed for a fishing hook, lol. On a much larger scale.
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