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Old 03-21-2010, 11:16 PM   #11
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Like Jamie (from mythbusters), I think we should throw out all current politicians, especially the incumbents. Start anew. The system is becoming flawed. Both parties say they're different when they're essentially each other. Right smack down the middle. Sure they may "stand" for something, however they won't act upon it because people will think it too extremist. I'm glad this "socialist" healthcare bill has been passed. Whatever happens, I think "history will vindicate" Obama and the democrats. It's absolutely the right thing to do.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:28 PM   #12
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It's a sad day when a bill passes that nobody knows exactly what's in it.
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:30 PM   #13
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It's a sad day when a bill passes that nobody knows exactly what's in it.
We'll find out, that's for sure.
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That is the wrong way to find out. . .
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Old 03-21-2010, 11:33 PM   #15
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^^^ I partially agree with this.

It's not so much the bill I support, but rather the initiative. Obama came into office looking to change things. He didn't change much. The healthcare debate was stuck in mud, so he forced the issue. I think that's how it needs to be done. You have to be dynamic in order to be successful. If you fail, you found a new method in which healthcare doesn't work. You're one step ahead then where you were before. It's almost like Thomas Edison and the light bulb.

As far as the bill itself, we'll have to see. One of my good friends posted something I think may be disturbingly accurate.

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Congress just legislated 1/6 of the economy out of existence:

Step 1) Obama signs the bill which has now passed the House and Senate. Reconciliation is irrelevant at this point. It really doesn't matter.

Step 2) Over the next four years, increased taxes and the knowledge of increased legal restraints on businesses and the private health insurance industry further depress the economy.

Step 3) Republicans win big in 2010 and 2012 due to general dissatisfaction with the Democrats. However, repealing this legislation will be just as difficult as trying to repeal Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, and Medicaid, ie impossible. Any attempt to do so will be demonized as "Republicans trying to take away your health care."

Step 4) Over the course of the next decade the law's actual legislative mechanisms begin to take effect. Everyone will be required to purchase health insurance but many will choose to pay a fine rather than pay for something which they don't actually have to own until they get sick. Once they get sic, they'll be able to purchase insurance because this legislation prohibits denial based on pre-existing conditions.

Step 5) As the insurance companies' existence depends upon healthy individuals paying in more than the cost of care for sick individuals, the insurance industry is driven out of business.

Step 6) The way is now paved for either a) a Republican repeal of the legislation, or b) the creation of a state-run health insurance company.
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I think right now might be a good time to invest in the euro.
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You're an interesting one Joga, First you say ""history will vindicate" Obama and the democrats. It's absolutely the right thing to do." Then you say what your friend posted "may be disturbingly accurate". If that does become true, how would that vindicate Obama and his merry band of libs?
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Probably because it's something that could make a positive difference in the lives of many Americans.
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Well, I say it "may" be disturbingly accurate. If the healthcare bill doesn't work, that's the path it will head down. I still believe this bill is on a better track than where we were a day ago.

edit: I still think the initiative is the key thing here.
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if because of this bill, i lose a lot of my coverage from work.
I'll be rather "unhappy"
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