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Old 02-18-2009, 10:17 AM   #31
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just as some food for thought with credit cards.

If your credit card is charging 18% APR and you have used it to buy a computer for 500 GBP, how long will it take to pay off, if you make just the minimum monthly payment (if your miniumum payment is 2% of the outstanding balance with a minimum of 5 GBP)?

A: 2 years 8 months

B: 8 years 6 months

C: 16 years 8 months

D: 19 years 4 months


The answer was D
It would take you a staggering 19 years and 4 months. You would also have paid 965 GBP in interest, meaning the 500 GBP computer actually cost you 1,465 GBP.
Yeah that is a horrifying fact but as long as you don't misuse them you will be fine.... But that is a very nice piece of information there for people who try to justify putting a new rig on their credit card and think they can only pay minimum payments on it until its paid off....
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:50 PM   #32
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Thats interesting poker - and no I chose the card with no annual fee.

I'm not totally sure the max. It didnt say, I think it will tell me in the mail when the card comes. However, its somewhere between 300-5000$
Chances are $300.

Don't let other peoples opinions scare you man.

Credit cards are good. You cant avoid debt, at all. Debt is part of life.

Buy the things you want one at a time, if you buy a tv, pay it off first, dont turn around and buy a computer. One thing at a time.

People who say don't buy the things you want on a credit card, are just afraid. If you are responsible enough, you can buy whatever you want on a credit card, and be just fine.

Its the people who go out and buy everything they see and put it on credit card. Then when the bill comes, they are screwed.

Use it wisely, be responsible with it, and you will be just fine.

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just as some food for thought with credit cards.

If your credit card is charging 18% APR and you have used it to buy a computer for 500 GBP, how long will it take to pay off, if you make just the minimum monthly payment (if your miniumum payment is 2% of the outstanding balance with a minimum of 5 GBP)?

A: 2 years 8 months

B: 8 years 6 months

C: 16 years 8 months

D: 19 years 4 months


The answer was D
It would take you a staggering 19 years and 4 months. You would also have paid 965 GBP in interest, meaning the 500 GBP computer actually cost you 1,465 GBP.
Im sorry, I dont know where you got that but, I believe its wrong.

Think about, $500 dollar computer, at 18% interest. 500*.18= 90

$500 plus interest = $590.

$590*.03 (.03= 3% of the balance) = 17.7.

Thats $17.7 a month.
$590/17.7= 33.33333 months to pay it off. Thats roughly 3 years to pay that $500 computer off.
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Old 02-18-2009, 01:57 PM   #33
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Im sorry, I dont know where you got that but, I believe its wrong.

Think about, $500 dollar computer, at 18% interest. 500*.18= 90

$500 plus interest = $590.

$590*.03 (.03= 3% of the balance) = 17.7.

Thats $17.7 a month.
$590/17.7= 33.33333 months to pay it off. Thats roughly 3 years to pay that $500 computer off.
His numbers may be wrong but yours are as well....You are only conducting one years worth of interest not the entire lifetime of the debt...Interest is compounded annually not just a 1 time thing also interest is also broken up into individual monthly payments which equal the total (roughly) at the end of the year (APR) Annual Percentage Rate.....But I am with ya on not believing that it is 19 years now tho....Hey maybe forgot a zero on the 500 or something....... maybe its 50,000 not 500...
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austinn you have to do interest each month.

I just put in my calc an got about 20 years assuming 12 payments a year about $20 each. I can't do a variable payment setup with the program I have, but that seems like its about right.

And root knows this stuff pretty well.
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Im sorry, I dont know where you got that but, I believe its wrong.

Think about, $500 dollar computer, at 18% interest. 500*.18= 90

$500 plus interest = $590.

$590*.03 (.03= 3% of the balance) = 17.7.

Thats $17.7 a month.
$590/17.7= 33.33333 months to pay it off. Thats roughly 3 years to pay that $500 computer off.
The first thing that I can see wrong with your calculations is that you're looking at the amount you'd have to pay if you paid it off in a lump sum, rather than by instalments, as you've done that you've actually used a higher rate of APR without knowing it.

(for example if you borrow $1000 for 1 year at 20% APR, so at the end of the year you pay back a lump sum of $1200, everyone can see how that works.) however, if you;re expecting to pay by instalments you have to consider that the interest is charged at a monthly equivalent of APR and your total amount that you pay back will therefore be lower.
so you borrow $1000 in month 1 you pay back $100 so now your amount owed, and the amount that they charge interest on over a year is only $900 not $1000, and so the interest amount goes down as well. in that scenario if you borrow $1000 and pay back 12 $100 amounts in monthly instalments your total repayed amount is $1200 but your APR has worked out at around 40% rather than 20%,

as for the numbers in the example I gave...
I got that from a finance quiz on the BBC website...
I didn't bother to check the numbers, though now that you've said that it's wrong I'll have a quick check and see what I can come up with.

Firstly, I'm going to admit to cheating.
I've used a monthly rate calculator found here
http://www.stoozing.com/mon2yr.htm

frankly because the example here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_percentage_rate of how APR is calculated, and the idea of transposing those sums to find the monthly rate was a rather daunting task.
the monthly rate is 1.3888
anyway, so we're left with a spreadsheet
with these columns
month (start at jan 01 and increment)
balance at month start (for the first row this is 500, after that it is the month end balance of the previous row)
interest added (=[[balance at start/100] * 1.388])
repaid amount (=balance at start *0.02)-or £5 whichever is greater
balance at month end (=balance at start + interest -repaid)


You'll have to bear with me, as this can't all be put into one post. (it has to stretch over three...)

and I can't be bothered to make all the column spacing perfect.
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Nov-15	90.57653075	1.257926859	5	86.83445761
Dec-15	86.83445761	1.205956947	5	83.04041455
Jan-16	83.04041455	1.153265277	5	79.19367983
Feb-16	79.19367983	1.099841825	5	75.29352166
Mar-16	75.29352166	1.045676429	5	71.33919808
Apr-16	71.33919808	0.990758783	5	67.32995687
May-16	67.32995687	0.935078441	5	63.26503531
Jun-16	63.26503531	0.87862481	5	59.14366012
Jul-16	59.14366012	0.821387152	5	54.96504727
Aug-16	54.96504727	0.763354576	5	50.72840185
Sep-16	50.72840185	0.704516045	5	46.43291789
Oct-16	46.43291789	0.644860364	5	42.07777826
Nov-16	42.07777826	0.584376184	5	37.66215444
Dec-16	37.66215444	0.523052001	5	33.18520644
Jan-17	33.18520644	0.460876147	5	28.64608259
Feb-17	28.64608259	0.397836795	5	24.04391938
Mar-17	24.04391938	0.333921952	5	19.37784134
Apr-17	19.37784134	0.26911946	        5	14.6469608
May-17	14.6469608	        0.203416992	5	9.850377787
Jun-17	9.850377787	0.136802047	5	4.987179834
Jul-17	4.987179834	0.069261954	5	0.056441788
Aug-17	0.056441788	0.000783864	0.06	-0.002774349
so I think that the numbers are wrong as well, I get 17 and a half years, (not 19) though you'll see that I havene't rounded at all, banks would have a number like £5.8556 and make it £5.86

and a few pennies each month year on year over 17 and a half years will probably add up...


either way, 17 and a half, or 19 years, after that long you probably don't even want the computer any more!
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Question: Does checking your credit make your credit score worse... ? If so thats lame ..
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when you apply for something and they chek it its lowered a tiny tiny bit, but not much.

when you check it it doesn't go down.
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when you apply for something and they chek it its lowered a tiny tiny bit, but not much.

when you check it it doesn't go down.
Hmm, thats odd. Seeming how I check mine monthly. It has never went down. And their are alot of sources that say it isnt lowered.
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