Originally Posted by Celery
In the creation vs evolution thing a friend told me that God created man. I said Really? Who/what created God? Then who/what created who/what that created God?
It becomes endless.
I, as a practical person, think that it started with a void, in other word, the universe and everything was created in it by the elements.
I used to have a problem with that until I looked at it this way:
We are limited by time and space. Everything we know or can experience is finite. To try to grasp that with is not finite, the infinite, is beyond us. God is not limited by time or space as neither existed until it was made by God. Look at creation/existence as a diorama set up by the infinite with time and space only existing within the diorama.
At least that is how I get my mind wrapped around it.
As far as this world being in such sorry shape, that is easy to explain. God is a perfect gentleman who honors our choices, both personal and corporate. Man, both individually and as a species, chose/chooses sin, that which does not line up with God. This has consequences which translates to the sorry state of the world and its continued deterioration. God has not left but He is honoring our decisions.
As for the righteous suffering as bad or even worse than the unrighteous the bible gives the answer in that it rains on the just and the unjust. If someone develops cancer it is not due to sin in their life but rather the state of the world, the rain previously mentioned.
I hope that makes a little sense. I am not trying to convert anyone but rather to explain a little from this side of things.