Also, we in England won't ever forget June 7th, when over 50 people were killed & scores badly maimed & otherwise injured, a close relation of mine was on the bus behind the one that was blown up, he escaped the blast, but still has nightmares, bloody hell, what's up with that stupid sod???
I find July 7th an interesting occurance in britain this year.
I mean no disrespect to anybody involved when I say this...
england has just come out of the recieving end, (and indeed is still politically involved) in a bitter terrorist war/campaign.
this war was named the troubles and has lasted over 25 years.
where are the minutes silences for the people that died as a result of the bombings,
where are the minutes silences in memory of the many many people that dies in that 'campaign'?
I'm not saying that we shouldn't think about or honour the people that died in July last year... I just find it sad in some ways that it's the first time that britainers have thought like that... it's kind of copying the americans as they mourn sept 11th each year, (and it serves as a reminder as to why we 'need'
to be at war with other countries).
but it seems mighty unfair that if your son or daughter father husband mother wife etc was killed by a nail bomb they get nothing, no rememberance, yet if you are the victim of a suicide mission that seems to currently have political implications you get a minutes silence in the middle of the day!.
the same example brings me back to the points raised above.
Tell me if France, Ireland, or Scotland or somthing had a terrioist orginzation that would fire missles into lets say O London or Yorkshire or New castle or somthing would Britian sit idealy by and let the missles fly in...
I don't think so.
They'd moblize their Army and they'd go in, they'd send in their planes and they'd try and bomb the locations to get rid of the missles etc. Just like any country would, granted they might be careful not to hit civlian target.
Also Isreal from formed with world wide western support. France, Britian, Ameirca etc all supported Isreal.
there is so much historical innacurancy and idiocy in that post, but I'm not saying it's cause you're stupid, I just don't think that you grasp the whole situation...
so lets take it point by point...
what if france or ireland or scotland had a terrorist organisation
(with the exception of scotland they all do).
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA);
Established to create an independent Basque homeland
Spanish and French government interests, tourists
Since 1960, more than 850 killed, hundreds injured
but you don't see france of spain bombing the Alps each and everytime a bomb goes off do you? -No.
Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA);
Irish Republic Splinter group, also called Continuity Army Council and Republican Sinn Fein
: British military, Northern Ireland security forces, Loyalist paramilitary groups
:Less than 50
: Bombings, assassinations, kidnappings, hijackings, extortion, robberies
Northern Ireland, UK, Irish Republic
Armed wing of the 32-County Sovereignty Movement to unify Ireland
civilians, military, police, and Protestant communities
Less than 100
Bombings, assassinations, robberies
So Ireand has at least two (those were the only two recognised by the american site that I found the infomation on).
but each time a bomb in London/manchester/birminghan was detonated, britain wern't ordering airstrikes on Dublin were they? -No
What's worse is that the terror campaign waged against britain was actually supported by many americans, including donations of Arms and money!
(basically is seems america is only worried about anti terrorism policies, since they've been the target, before then terrorism was OK... and Infact encorage supported and funded!).
the last point to address is the idea that Isreal was founded as a state with support from France Britain and America...
Isreal was founded because there needed to be a place to put all the Jews who were displaced from Germany during WWII. Isreal might well have been founded with great intentions by the western countries, but the middle eastern countries had little to no say in the matter!
in short if someone now took half of america and said I'm creating a african homeland for all the people displaced during slavery there would be an uproar,
and I imagine that there would be fighting some 80 years on and more!! in fact I don't see that there would ever be any peace in the region, either from the people displaced from their homs into that region, of the people that were in that region before that were forced out!!
besides which since it's independance as a state (after the British gave up their mandate to control the West bank of the river Jordan in 1948)
800,000 palestinians were forcebly evicted from their land, having their homes crops villages etc destroyed. hence Many palestinians were forced to become refugees in the west bank and gaza.
throughout time (since 1948) isreal has gradually siezed more and more palestinian land.
in 1967 isreal attacked palestine and took more of the land until there was only some 22% left of what was once palestine (bear in mind this is also a holy land!!!).
Since 1948 what was palestine has become mostly isreal and most palestinians have been ethically clensed (read: murder because of the religion they follow).
a few more facts... during the build up to this current campaign (and by campaign in Isreal I mean bombing civillians)
more than 100 palestinians were killed before any suicide bombers had done anything.
more than 40% of all palestinian males have been (or are) in prison
and there are over 4 million palestinian refugees registered with the UN.
that is to say that there are still people who were displaced in 1948 that are still homless.
and the last fact...
the US government bankrolls Isreal to the tune of $4 billion dollars a year (30% of the overseas spend).
this has helped isreal become the middle easts ONLY nuclear power (with active threats of war to the other middle eastern countries undergoing uranium inrichment project even for Nuclear power!).
Is it any wonder that after their homes were stollen, destroyed, their lively hoods taken away and inhabbited by some new people that the western countries didn't know what to do with that there may be a little contention in the air...
people at this place get ansi enough when they get nagative rep point, or banned for a week, and it's only a forum. imagine if you were banned from your homes forever and forced into a refugee camp?