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Old 02-16-2006, 05:32 PM   #1
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This is a question I ask myself everyday. What if all the computers where not invented and nothing like them where invented. What would you be doing now?
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Old 02-16-2006, 05:38 PM   #2
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Probably speaking german
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Probably speaking german
WTF? lol!
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The very first computer was made during WW2 to break the German's codes. It was vital during the war, and we probably wouldn't have won without it.

If it wasn't invented, the germans would have won, German would have become the world-wide standard and the world would be messed to shit.
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... You're joking right, Lacey? That is just... well.. wrong o.O

Where do you gather your information from? No offense but that sounds like you pulled it out of your ass
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Old 02-16-2006, 06:30 PM   #6
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What would I do if no comps would be there? Play on my N64!
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lol

hmm, skate
yeah, but i wudnt know that ther wer no comps so i dunno
but yeah skateboard or snowboard
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... You're joking right, Lacey? That is just... well.. wrong o.O

Where do you gather your information from? No offense but that sounds like you pulled it out of your ass
hey, do do have that little faith in me?

http://www.open2.net/peopleswar/computing2.html

Colossus I was delivered to Bletchley Park in December 1943 and immediately set to work cracking Tunny. It replaced one of the paper reels of the Heath Robinsons with an electronic representation in memory of the possible Tunny settings. Paper tape fed encrypted messages into Colossus at a rate of 5,000 characters per second where they were compared against the possible settings. Perhaps remarkably, a modern desktop computer is only slightly faster at cracking Tunny than its distant ancestor.

Colossus II arrived only six months later. Using 2,500 valves it was five times faster than its predecessor, (clearly computers going out of date as soon as they were built is not a modern problem), and proved so successful that a further nine machines were completed before the end of the war. Using Colossus the British regularly read Tunny messages before their opponents.

Despite early worries, valves proved to be extremely reliable. Colossus’ designers realised that most valve failures were caused when machines were turned on and off; therefore the Colossi ran almost uninterrupted from the time of its installation to the end of the war. Such was the prodigious amount of heat pouring from the machine that the Women’s Royal Naval Service operators were reduced to working in their underwear!

At the end of the war, on the express orders of Winston Churchill, eight of the Colossus computers were reduced to scrap. Every part of Ultra was classified and Tommy Flowers was ordered to burn the original plans. He complied and Colossus vanished from sight for almost thirty years. The two remaining Colossus machines were rebuilt at GCHQ near Cheltenham where they remained in service until 1960.

Such was the secrecy surrounding Ultra and Colossus that their very existence only became public knowledge in 1974. Until that time, it was widely believed that the first computer was 1945’s ENIAC, a colossal machine designed for the United States Army.

There you have it, the British invented the first computer, not you yanks.
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There you have it, the British invented the first computer, not you yanks.
Only problem was, we couldn't prove it at the time - the Colossi (yes, there was more than one in operation) officially didn't exist, they were top secret. Rumour has it there's still one complete, fully-working Colossus within GHCQ headquarters.

We've just been studying this. A "computer" was actually a term to describe somebody who did calculations with a pencil. Babbage devised the Difference Engine to eliminate the problem of human error. So even us Brits can argue that Colossus wasn't the first computer.

Oh yeah, if we didn't have computers, we'd be screwed. We watched this video with Jeremy Clarkson (it wasn't all about cars, honest) talked about the development of the computer. They did this experiment where they fired off an EMP Pulse in this test chamber, the old PC inside still worked, sort of - the computer literally lost its identity, none of the components had any record of their serial numbers etc., the HDD was basically nailed, but the BIOS still seemed to work. Worrying stuff, considering what would happen if a real EMP Pulse went off.
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... You're joking right, Lacey? That is just... well.. wrong o.O

Where do you gather your information from? No offense but that sounds like you pulled it out of your ass

Dude she's right. Technically the first ELECTRIC computer was made in the 40's with Alan Turring's good help. It was used to crack German U-boat codes. I did a whole 6 page essay on it.
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Probably be a extremely sexually active person... just because I wouldn't have anything else todo in life :P


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http://bellsouth.com.com/ENIAC+A+com...h&subj=ns&tag=

Watch the vids and find out how the idea of speaking German is too close to the mark. Requires dsl or cable.
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The first computer was actually invented way before then and ran on steam. It isn't our idea of a modern computer, but it was a computer.
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We would all have more active socials lifes. We'd most likely be dumber. We wouldn't miss the computer, because it woldn't of been invented so we wouldn't know what it was. And I don't think we'd be speaking german. Hilter would of never invaded the states. He would of seen no point in it. He would tooken out all european nations and russia. And created the biggest empire ever to see this earth. But america wasn't his goal that would of took too long and he wanted peace more then anything else. He always kept trying to talkt o the brits to ally with him so they could get this war over with. But Isreal would of never been created.d
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What the heck are you talking about? Saying a computer prevented the Nazi government from controlling the world? Are you crazy? A computer didn't do jack, except crack a few codes. If you think codes are the key to success, then you're saddly mistaken.

Man power is the key to success, not codes. Yes, codes allow peopel to communicate to each other, but that doesn't dictate what happens on the ground. Such as tanks, infantry, machine guns, grenades. Codes can't tell you how a battle is going to happen! Sure, you can say, "beep beep beep" which could mean, "Artillery over here!" But that doesn't mean you win the battle! Man power, and strategy win a battle, not a code.

Computers didn't do jack in WWII. The coalition of American, British, and Canadian forces on D-Day is what what happened in WWII. Not a computer. Pffft...
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where the f**k did my message go?

Im sick of all you mods just deleting my posts at random. This is bulls**t!

Seti says> Your other post was not touched but I did get ahold of this one. You need to keep in mind there are still problems with the forum. One more outburst like that and it's not going to be pretty...
By the way we can't delete posts in a thread. Just edit. Or make the whole thread go away.
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ok that was really off topic
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See paradox? I messed up my own post and just edited it out. Deleting posts within a thread in a admin level function.
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The very first computer was made during WW2 to break the German's codes. It was vital during the war, and we probably wouldn't have won without it.

If it wasn't invented, the germans would have won, German would have become the world-wide standard and the world would be messed to shit.
If the brits and the yanks had not got thier hands on the enigma machine, a simple coding device, things would have gone badly on D-day. It is considered in some circles to be a computer of sorts.
Oh and we didn't invent it the germans did. Just some brave men and a stroke of super good luck and we were able to steal it from the germans.
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What the heck are you talking about? Saying a computer prevented the Nazi government from controlling the world? Are you crazy? A computer didn't do jack, except crack a few codes. If you think codes are the key to success, then you're saddly mistaken.

Man power is the key to success, not codes. Yes, codes allow peopel to communicate to each other, but that doesn't dictate what happens on the ground. Such as tanks, infantry, machine guns, grenades. Codes can't tell you how a battle is going to happen! Sure, you can say, "beep beep beep" which could mean, "Artillery over here!" But that doesn't mean you win the battle! Man power, and strategy win a battle, not a code.
Computers didn't do jack in WWII. The coalition of American, British, and Canadian forces on D-Day is what what happened in WWII. Not a computer. Pffft...
ever heard of intelligence?
And no, man power has never been the key to success, tactics (including intelligence), skill and faith (don't know how to say it better, but u know what I mean) are the key to success. U can have 10x more men and 10x more equipment yet still u might not win the war. Countless times has a small, out gunned force beaten the crap out of a bigger, well equipped army.

Intelligence is a very big part of warfare, and should not be underestimated.
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