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Old 03-04-2006, 10:36 PM   #1
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I need to start researching. I want to major (If that's even the word, lmfao) in computer programming, networking, etc.. Basically EVERYTHING with computers..

I came across this, now does this mean I have to take ALL of these to complete the course or w/e, or is each one a seperate thing?

>>>http://www.cs.siu.edu/grad/grad_course.html

Edit: same with the undergrad courses: http://www.cs.siu.edu/undergrad/under_course.html
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Old 03-04-2006, 10:42 PM   #2
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No, you do not have to take all of those courses. If your university is like mine (I'm majoring in CIS by the way-Computer Information Systems or IT), you will select what track you want to concentrate on. We have a whole list of classes in the CIS department just like what you have up there too. But, we don't take all of it. There should be concentrations that you can pick and you will only be required to take those classes as specified by your advisor. I'm going into Telecom, but I've been leaning towards System Analysis and Design. Haven't made up my mind yet.

At first when I saw the catalog, I was like "whoa, that's a crap load of classes to take". Turns out that the catalog lists everything in the CIS dept., but you choose one track or concentration to emphasize on and that will be your major. My official title is:

Business Administration: Computer Information Systems w/ concentration in Telecommunications and Data Networks

I do have some core classes in programming to take too, but not all of it. Now the catalog don't intimidate me as much because I won't have to take half of those classes offered unless I want to waste my time and learn everything on there.

Best thing is to make an appointment with your department advisor so they can tell you what classes you need to take.

Also study smart. Don't jump right into university because it is damn hard. Start from JC and take transferable courses to a university of your choice. Make sure you see your school counselor on what you need to take to transfer your lower division courses. By the time you go to the university, you will be a junior and take upper division classes. Plus you save money because JC is cheaper than university.

Lower level or lower division generally consists of 100, 200 level classes (JC). Upper level or upper division consists of 300, 400, and some 500 level classes (university-Bacholer's and Master's degree). 500 and up is graduate program (PHd). I'm in my junior year right now and very close to my senior year. I have an internship or a senior project to do, which I'm not sure about.
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Wow.. how old are you guys? I dont even need to think about college yet
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I'm in my 20's so I should be there. By the way, Microsoft came down to my school yesterday to give us a prep talk on job outlook from now through 2014. It looks good for Business Admin people with IT integration. That's exactly what I'm majoring in. Marketing management for computer software and hardware will be number 1 according to Microsoft rep who spoke to us. Then Network and Telecom is right behind them. Talk about high salaries. Whew....

The guy (I forgot his name) said that you must have Business background which is why you see most universities integrate CIS, IT, MIS with Business Admin. It's a pain in the ass, but it looks good on your resume. After all, isn't most IT support, supporting businesses? We need to know business concepts to fully understand the technology integration. I hate financing and accounting of all types. I struggle to get through them, but it's worth it.
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Lol in your 20's. Kinda broad, oh well, its cool if you dont wanna give your your real age.
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I'm keeping a low profile, lol. Oh by the way, if you do want to learn EVERYTHING computers, you will. Even if you choose what concentration you want to get into, you are still required to take basic CIS core classes which consists of everything from system design, programming, database, web design, etc. I'm going into Telecom, but I'm required to take some programming classes, web design classes, system analysis, etc. Not all of the classes but the ones they require. That way, it gives you a feel on the whole CIS is all about. IT people need to know a little of everything these days and that's what universities provide.
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Lol.. I see
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Man, I'm like hard core into this. I should be his school advisor, but too bad I don't fully understand the curriculum at southern illinois university there.

I still need a bunch of core CIS classes before I can even start on my upper division CIS courses. I'm still taking a bunch of stupid upper level GE Synthesis classes and crap like that. Shesshhh. I'm only taking two classes coming up for the new quarter which starts March 27th. Already signed up for it and paid all fees. Have to buy books later and the stupid $90 parking permit.
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Yeah, that list/catalog is pretty overwhelming. I just know I'm probably going to want to concentrate on more than just one thing though, like not just programming over networking or what not.. And I'm not really looking into SIu, but my stepbro is going there now so just checked out the site to take a look at the classes.
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You'll probably have to end up picking one thing you want to concentrate on, but you can always take more if you wish. You'll just end up going to school a lot longer than expected. You'll be taking a variety of stuff though, even if you have to choose just one particular field you want to get into. If you're interested in other concentrations, it doesn't hurt to take a class here and there to give you more knowledge. You'll just be paying a lot more and take longer to graduate.
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Well, I don't even know the correct terms for such as, computer programming, or networking or whatnot, what are some of the most popular ones?

And where are you attending?
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Where I'm at, here's how it goes:

College of Science and College of Business Administration are the two key colleges for IT. College of Engineering is another field as that gets into Computer Engineering which is all hardware (diodes, resistor, digital logic, AC/DC. etc). It's hard, because you actually design the components (motherboards, IC's-CPU-GPU, etc.)

College of Science includes computer science while the College of Business Administration includes CIS (Computer Information Systems). In the Computer Information Systems field, it is further divided into 4 different tracks:

Applications Software Development
Business Systems Analysis
Internet Programming and Security
Telecommunications and Networking

You pick one you want to do and that's it. Computer Science is a whole other field and I won't get into that. It's using C++, Fortran, and other different programming languages. It's strictly programming and software development (hardcore stuff).

With CIS, you're an IT with a broad knowledge of C++, Java, HTML, etc. so you are exposed to some Computer Science classes.
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And your saying it would be too much to do CIS under Business, and all the programming under Computer Science?
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I have to take about 10-15 business courses to get a CIS major, but not all the business classes. Then I have the CIS core classes which are required for all CIS majors regardless of what track you want to get into. Some of those required core classes include some programming, but not all programming classes. Then after the core classes are completed, that's where the individual tracks come in. There's only like 6 classes left for you to take and that's it.
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Sorry to bump this.. But I'm wanting to figure this stuff out. We have a community college nearby, in which alot of people take classes there, it's called KEC

I'm just wondering, did you take just the normal curriculm in highschool to get where you are now? Like, VB 1 and 2, HTML, Java, and I think there's another one.. Or did you do something like how us here go to KEC and take classes? I'm wondering if I'll be able to find classes to take that are just one more class I WONT have to take in college?
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High school is more complicated now. You need to get with your high school counselor like right now to discuss your college plans so they can choose what class you need to take. The classes should apply to your high school credits as well as your transfer units towards a junior college. Then once you get into junior college, you need to go see their "academic advisors" and let them know what you want to major in and what university you will transfer too. That way, they will give you an "education plan" that lists all the classes you need to take to go on to the university. Once at the university, you may go see an academic advisor again so they can give you another list of classes you have to take to graduate.

It's actually very easy. The counselor's and advisors give you all the info you need to know. Once you get the hang of how things work, you won't even need to see the advisor's anymore, like me. I have an academic plan I download from the department website showing me what classes I need to take. It's up to me to keep track of what classes I take and cross them out as I go. If you don't want to do that, then see an advisor. They'll do everything as if they were your personal secretary. It's pretty neat.

The reason why you do all this is so you don't waste your time in college taking useless classes you don't need. The other reason is so you can graduate much, much faster if you do it the way the advisors tell you to.
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This is a question I've always had, I always hear people talking about this.. You say junior college, then university.. So your saying after I graduate highschool, I can't go straight to, SIU for example?

And under more research, I found out how this goes:

http://www.syc427.org/schools2/shs/COURSE2006-07.pdf

Scroll down to page 15. They mixed business and technology so just forget the business stuff. Right now, the freshman that I am, I'm finishing off Computer apps 1 and 2. Next year, I'll be taking VB1 and 2. Junior year, I'll be taking Javascript and Intermediate HTML, and C# Programming. Well, what about my senior year? Scroll down a little more and you'll find CIS, which is indeed a class over at KEC, what I was talking about earlier. Those are the classes I plan on taking. And they follow the recomendation on page 14 for computer programming to a T. So, I guess I got this pretty well figured out? Just not about the whole junior college/university thing?

Edit: What classes did you take in HS? And where are you attending now?
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http://www.cs.siena.edu/

Great college...located up in NY though. Has one of the best CS Degrees for cheap.
TAke a look at their curriculum here:
http://www.cs.siena.edu/offerings/level000.php
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But that's only high school though. Maybe just try take only the classes you need to graduate high school and get into junior college quickly. The reason why you would go to a junior college is because it's cheaper than jumping to a university. Plus it's a bit easier too so the transition won't be too overwhelming. You always have the option to go to a university head on, if you wish.

I would make an appointment with your high school counselor to talk about your plans. They'll know what to do for you. In high school, I didn't take any of those classes you mentioned. Just the basic to graduate high school. No computer electives. You start taking them in college.
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i am going to a 2 year for cisco networking. Im waiting on my A+ exam until then , because i have to take the A+ course weather or not i have it already. What are your thoughts on cisco networking?
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