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Old 03-04-2005, 10:47 PM   #1
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As some of you are aware... the Supreme Court ruled on tuesday that capital punishment for minors is unconstitutional. This comes less then 3 years from the ruling that capital punishment is unconstitutional for the mentally retarted.

Personally, this is great news for me. I think it's about time that we cut it out for minors.. I mean.. the only other country in the world that allows child execution under legal justice is Somalia..which is a joke, considering they don't have a goverment... Plus, our only justification of it before tuesday was the fact that we did not comply with the U.N. Code for child's rights.

I'm personally completely against capital punishment altogether. I think that spending your life in a tiny max security prison cell, with no one to talk to, barely any time to ever get out (food in max security is given right to your cell, and you are escorted for tiny amounts of time to play basktetball or something like that by yourself). Having to do that for the rest of your life, without any possibility of parole, in my opinion, is worth then just having it all end. Personally, it really isn't life.. because there is no quality of life.. if I was faced with that choice.. I'd choose death.

Plus, killing the killer really brings us down to the same level. Sure, it might not be horrid or violent, but we still end a life, which is the same thing, one way or another. So long story short, I think this is the start of the slow ending of majority of capital punishment.

It's about time anyways, there are barely any countries that support the practice.
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This is horrible news in my own personal opinion. This is horrific. This is a slap in the face for the justice system. You let that sniper guy who was a youth at the time get away with several murders. Capital punishment is not failing, as it is still instated for the majority of offenders who are adults.

Killing the killer brings us down to the same level. Nope. It does not.

Capital punishment as far as I'm concerned will state instated in the United States. You are the minority of opinion this country, rakedog. Nearly 75% support the death penalty. So it would be political suicide for whoever gets rid of it. Getting rid of execution for the mentally retarded was understandable. For youthful offenders that committed heinous acts, it was NOT.

Also see to it, it will be reinstated. You same type were cheering in the mid 70s when the death penalty was banned but once the republican party gets more of its own judges on the bench it will be reinstated.
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Rakedog, what you believe in is the ideal world. There will always have to be a capital punishment, and will continue to be so, until our justice system (ineffective) will be radically changed.

I say our justice system is ineffective because i truly, really believe it sux. Sure, some can argue that,
FINE COMPARE IT TO THE OTHER COUNtries. Umm, okay, so if i'm in a room full of killers, and they've all killed 20 people and i've killed 2, does that mean that i'm somehow better than them?? No, we're all equally stupid and have no morals.

And killing the killer does bring us down to the same level. Does our society not preach forgiveness? DOes our society not preach that revenge is wrong??? If killing a killer is not revenge, than what is?? You say that killing the killer is justice, no. It is just revenge in a mask.
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I think we should adopt laws similiar to that in the Hammurabi code. I see the Singaporean justice system as the most effective in the world, afterall they have the lowest crimes rates in the devleoped world.

i think the US justice system is effective. But we must not reduce it anymore.

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And killing the killer does bring us down to the same level. Does our society not preach forgiveness? DOes our society not preach that revenge is wrong??? If killing a killer is not revenge, than what is?? You say that killing the killer is justice, no. It is just revenge in a mask.
Didn't you say that rakedog lives in the ideal world? What about yourself? I'm sorry, but this is not revenge but justice. Doesn't our society preach forgiveness? Tell that to the family members of a person who was the victim of murder.
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I do not live in the ideal world.

The government clashes with societies ideals by avenging a death with a death.

"Tell that to the family members of a person who was the victim of murder."

I will tell that to them, and most likely, they will not understand or just not care. But does that make me wrong?? No. It just shows the contrast between law and moral law.

And explain how justice is different from revenge?? Who are you, or any other person to exact punishment on others?? What makes any one of us better than others?? It is revenge, no matter what you may think.

I understand that we will never be free of this ineffective government, because there is a flaw in our society. That flaw stems from the core of society. The person. Each person has a flaw. Each person is prone to hypocrisy and changing of opinions. Greed, hatred, jealousy, and ambivalence.

But does that make our justice system "just"???

Just because majority of the world needs it, doesn't make it just.
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Yes it does make you wrong. And yes I do believe you are wrong in the case of the death penalty. The death penalty is true justice and is not revenge. This is punishment for those who commit murders. I think you are just stating incorrectly and are not thinking logically. The death penalty is a very just form of punishment. Ineffective government? Keep dreaming.

You can't tell me what to think. It isn't revenge. And you can't just take your own words and state it as if it were gold. I think you are just plain wrong.
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Giancarlo, I was having a discussion with you, not telling you i'm god.

Calm down, your always so strung-tight. No wonder you get flamed by everyone. I was just having a nice discussion with you about Henry Thoreau's ideas and your ideas of "just" punishment.

"And you can't just take your own words and state it as if it were gold. I think you are just plain wrong."

Isn't that what you are actually doing in this sentence??

Can we possibly have an intelligent conversation without getting some bad vibes?? Cause every thread i read that you post in, there's always bad feelings.

back on topic.

Explain to me how the death penalty is just. That's saying revenge is just. Tell me the difference between these two. I truly am interested.
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My views are strong. That's my way of doing things. I am not, I repeat am not flaming you. Just challenging you. I just feel like you misrepresenting the death penalty and the facts.

Tell me how it is revenge, strawman attacks not accepted.
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Giancarlo. There is really no right/wrong opinion. If there was, the judges wouldn't be at a 5 - 4 vote. It's more of a question of your personal beliefs. I believe that capital punishment is wrong, because sitting in a dark prison cell in max security is terrible.. it's not really life, because it's so damn bad. BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. And you will not change my beliefs nor views. So please, don't try. I started this thread mearly to see what other members think. There is no point argueing this topic.. it's either yes or no.. or you can be undecided. Since you're a pro-execution and I'm not, that's the end of the story for us.
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These are my personal beliefs, and the judges who voted against this are not reflecting the will of the people. I do not support the country club life many prisions offer inmates. You aren't changing my views either and I think you posted this thread to get back at me for that other thread I opened.

Personally I think this country is on the path of my beliefs.
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