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Old 09-08-2010, 01:29 PM   #1
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US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning Terry Jones said he had prayed over the matter but insisted the Koran-burning would go ahead 

A small US church says it will defy international condemnation and go ahead with plans to burn copies of the Koran on the 9/11 anniversary.

The top US commander in Afghanistan warned troops' lives would be in danger if the Dove World Outreach Center in Florida went ahead.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the church's plan was "disrespectful and disgraceful".

Muslim countries and Nato have also hit out at the move.

And the US Attorney General, Eric Holder, called the idea "idiotic and dangerous". 

But organiser, Pastor Terry Jones said: "We must send a clear message to the radical element of Islam." 


The Dove World Outreach Center may only represent a handful of people, but its incendiary plans haven't emerged out of nowhere.

The role of Islam in America has become a hot button issue with social and political implications.

While most Americans would probably take issue with exhortations to burn the Koran, there is clearly widespread concern about the influence of Islam.

Protests over the planned location of an Islamic centre close to Ground Zero in New York, and similar controversy in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, have highlighted popular anxiety about Islam in America.

Earlier this year, an opinion poll found that 53% of Americans view Islam unfavourably, with only 42% viewing the religion favourably. 

Reports about young American Muslims being radicalised on the internet have helped to stoke fears about the nature of a religion indelibly associated, since 9/11, with a violent assault on the US. 

Far from subsiding over time, anxiety seems to have deepened. As a result, American Muslims say they feel more isolated than at any time since the 2001 attacks.
The controversy comes at a time when the US relationship with Islam is very much under scrutiny.

There is heated debate in the country over a proposal to build a mosque and Islamic cultural centre streets from Ground Zero, site of the 9/11 attacks, in New York. 

Speaking at a State Department dinner marking the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Hillary Clinton condemned Pastor Jones.

"I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," she said.

Despite having a congregation of just 50, the plans of Pastor Jones' church in Gainesville have gained worldwide notoriety, sparking demonstrations in Afghanistan and Indonesia.

Gen David Petraeus, the top US commander in Afghanistan, said on Monday that the action could cause problems "not just in Kabul, but everywhere in the world".

"It is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems," he said in a statement.

The Vatican, the Obama administration and Nato have also expressed concern over the plan.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said on Tuesday that "any type of activity like that that puts our troops in harm's way would be a concern".

Calls on Christians to "return to the truth and stop hiding", and to "speak up against sin" 
Says Islam "is of the devil" because it teaches that Jesus is not the son of God 
Describes International Burn a Koran Day as "neither an act of love nor of hate" 

Nato chief Anders Fogh Rasmussen blasted the plans, telling reporters that burning Korans violated the Nato alliance's "values".

Pastor Jones - author of a book entitled Islam is of the Devil - has said he understands the general's concerns but that it was "time for America to quit apologising for our actions and bowing to kings".

Another pastor at the church told the BBC that members intended to burn several hundred copies of the holy book on Saturday evening, the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, in defiance of an order by the city not to hold an open air bonfire.

Muslims consider the Koran to be the word of God and insist it be treated with the utmost respect. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect to the holy book is deeply offensive to them.

An interfaith group of evangelical, Roman Catholic, Jewish, and Muslim leaders meeting in Washington on Tuesday condemned the proposals as a violation of American values and the Bible.

"I have heard many Muslim Americans say they have never felt this anxious or this insecure in America since directly after 11 September," said Ingrid Mattson, president of the Islamic Society of North America.

Claims that US soldiers have desecrated the Koran in both Afghanistan and Iraq have caused bloodshed in the past. 

There were deadly protests in Afghanistan in 2008, when it emerged that a US soldier deployed to Iraq riddled a copy of the holy book with bullets.

And further lives were lost in Afghan riots in 2005 when Newsweek magazine printed a story alleging that US interrogators at Guantanamo Bay had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet.
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As you can see and may have already heard, some arse is planning to burn several hundred copies of the Quran. This is just another example of religious fanaticism at its worst. Why can't people just grow up? This will cause even more problems and hate around the world. This is the type of thing the Taliban uses to recruit more people into their holy war against the U.S. and soon to be Christianity as whole. While I don't condone violence, I seriously hope some extremist martyr makes his way down to Florida before the event begins and pays a visit to Terry Jones.

This has to be one the most retarded things I have seen someone attempt to do in a long time. They have no regard for human life either as this will only complicate matters overseas. I am literally disgusted.
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Old 09-08-2010, 02:23 PM   #2
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I have a feeling this is not going to end well for that church. Remember the South Park episode that had Muhammad in it? Trey and Matt received death threats for that and the second episode was therefore censored by Comedy Central for safety reasons. So now someone is doing something even greater. It won't be just death threats that they will receive I think...
There are a lot of Islamic extremists, and the religion says to follow in the footsteps of Muhammad who was incredibly violent, but I don't think offensive things like this will do anything positive.
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The world is a lonely place. Let people practice whatever they want if it gives them something to believe in, who has any right to take that away from anyone else?

I rank that up there with starving kids for pleasure. Sick bastards.
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They should throw rocks at a hornets’ nest first and then observe what happens.
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They should throw rocks at a hornets’ nest first and then observe what happens.
hhahah.

On a serious note, I don't think the quran actually tells muslims to carry out terrorist attacks, just a minority who use their religion as an excuse to do what they want
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hhahah.

On a serious note, I don't think the quran actually tells muslims to carry out terrorist attacks, just a minority who use their religion as an excuse to do what they want
It doesn't, but like I said, muslims are sort of supposed to follow in the footsteps of Muhammad as Catholics would Jesus. Muhammad killed those who spoke out against him. Jesus was a bit different...

It's just in countries where there is more Muslims, there seems to be more problems related to the religion. In the US, minnisota has a problem already where some Muslim taxi drivers refuse to drive people who have been drinking alcohol, and store clerks refuse to handle pork.

Problems get worse in countries like France where there are car bombings and church burnings already, and Shariah law is being implanted in ghettos.

Then you get places that are 100% Muslim. There was recently a story about a couple who committed adultery and were stoned to death which is proper punishment according to Shariah law.

It's not Muslims we need to be afraid of, it's the Shariah law. Which being a big part of the religion, there are a lot of followers of the law.
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with you. While they are flaws with Islam, there are flaws with every religion. Look at the crusades or the Spanish inquisition. These were Christians imposing their own law on others and killing those who didn't believe. Yea Muhammad was a war monger, but so was God in the old Testament. I'll probably get struck by lightning now for comparing God to Muhammad, but just pointing out that all religions have their skeletons. Don't want to start a debate, but Christians refuse to do abortions. How is that any different from a Muslim refusing to handle pork? It's a belief. To some, both of these seem foreign. People need to learn how to worship their God in peace, like every 'holy book' preaches. We've gotten to the point where religions are battling each other instead of respecting each other.

As for Jones up there... this will not end well for him.
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Ah extremists.... Making the world a mess for the rest of us. I'm willing to bet some non-Islamic person will "throw the first stone" as it were. The sad part is, that when the even happens and gets out to the rest of the world, they won't see how 99.99% of the US hates that church for even thinking of doing this.
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Hah. I say go on with it. The Twins Towers were a symbol for America, and apparently the qu'ran is a symbol for extremist muslims. They burn what's ours, so we burn what they consider theirs. The big difference is that we're not killings thousands so we can look macho. This is a "f*** off" for all the extremists. I have absolutely nothing against Muslims who want to practice and worship in peace. (Notice I capitalize Muslim in the context outside of terrorism) You don't like other religions? Great, go be pissed off about it somewhere in the corner. Don't call it a "holy war", kills THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE and use some book as an excuse.

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While I can understand the [/baseless rant] above me the glaring problem with it is that there were Muslims killed in horrible act. The burning is not really a "F*** off" to the extremists for the simple fact that there are millions of non extremist Muslims. Also in the scheme of things Islam is a young religion. Every major religion has a dark and murderous past. Unfortunately Islam is still going through its conquer stage. Christianity went through it for centuries and could be argued that it still is, just in a less murderous manor. I just wish that people on both sides, the crazy muslims the crazy christians and the crazy crazies would just take a step back and realize that its all stupid.
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