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Old 06-12-2006, 11:11 AM   #21
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Default Re: Anyone hear about this internet may become slower thing?

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/09/new...net/index.html

Could the internet become slower to some website if you don't pay for the extra speed to some websites?
haha remember me telling you about net neutrality, the other day when we were talking over AIM?


Anyway, see if you senator voted to keep the net neutral..
http://gargles.net/net-neutrality-who-voted-for-what/

most of mine didnt, needless to say, I'm pissed.
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IMO all these people are going to price themselves outta the market... having to pay extra fees on top of the already high price for internet from an ISP... average people will cease to use these services... this could be the death of the internet... :S
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Old 06-12-2006, 03:58 PM   #23
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There will be no death of the internet, lol...
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did anyone else read the sites that it linked to...

they make the rather strong argument that to access more premium content (such as ondemand video etc) that larger pipes have to be fitted to houses, and that net neutrality means that rather than the companies that insist on having stupidly large sites bogged down with videos, sounds and flash etc shouldn't have to pay for this.

the argument seems to focus on who should pay for what and what would offer the best way for technolgies to contiue emmerging and developing from the internet.

Now I know that there are some users here who still use dialup, and I really think that you have to look at the argument from the point of view of that.

the members who use dialup don't have broadband in the their area, and the question is who should pay for it to be installed?

Should Google pay just because they wish to offer larger content? (I don't think so!).
or should the people who benefit from the technologies pay for it? (I.e the customers), -I say yes...

the telecomunications companies should be installing larger pipes with more bandwidth as time goes on, as part of rolling upgrades which likely happen anyway!

As a broad band customer, I pay for network maintinance and repair, (ie putting the fatter pipes in), (and that is regardless of whether they are in my area of not). I pay a premium for using broad band as well.

If I want faster broadband I pay for a better service, (this is the exact postal vs fedex type situation that they are talking about). if I want a faster service I pay for the extra costs incurred, regardless of whether there are extra costs of not, fact is you have to consider line conntention, not everyone can have fast broadband, same as if everyone used Fedex then it wouldn't be any faster because the company as a whole would be too bogged down trying to get stuff places.

At present if I run a website from a commercial server farm then i have an allocated bandwidth and pay extra if I provide a large content that is used a lot (surely this is how it should be? I pay for what I use, where what I use is defined by how many customers I have accessing my site and useing bandwidth on my behalf seeing my business.).

why shouldn't Google be forced to pay for using more bandwidth, even if this does mean that you in turn then have to pa for accessing their higher quality services.

thats what a free market is all about, paying your way.
it kind of irritates me that there are plenty of people out there shouting about this and that internet who claim to be experts but fail to see that what they are fighting for is pretty much already in place, (aside from the government legislation - which would stiffle development).

as it is...
as you are a customer you pay for a service and the maintanance of that service, (even the dialup customers will eventually get faster lines when ilnes are upgraded).

as you (the customer) use more bandwidth you pay more for your downloads (some companies already cap download limits and make users pay extra for downloading more in a given time (usually a month). if you want an uncapped service (like I have), you pay extra.

from the content providers point of view, if you want to provide a website you pay for a connection and you pay for the bandwidth that you use,
if google want to stream video, then why should they be treated any different from me, where I'd have to pay the extra bandwidth costs.

it's already the case that Google (for example already have a faster connection to the internet because they paid for a better quality line!).

if you go with a cheap hosting company (and pay less) you useually get a slower connection rate, (hence the site is slower to load).
if you pay more, then you get a faster connection and your site loads faster!
(that is exactly the same as calling Joes pizza and having to wait because the line is slower, but Pizza hut offering a better connection then you can be put through straight away).
or was that fact somehow missed by the sensationalists that are trying to get the internet government regulated?

all I can say is thank god I'm not american!
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I think you should have to pay to host files largers that 1 gig (.1 cent a file), or to have streaming videos (per video, at like .1 cent each)

Sites shouldn't be charged to have a ton of information, like wiki, google, or news sites

I've always thought that the US was gonna crash in on its self, and now I can see it happening.
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why shouldn't google be charged? they charge other people for advertising on their site...
when you see a sponsored add on google,
the person that has paid to ave that advert there has paid a lot more that it costs in bandwidth costs to send the some 100 chars of text to your browser

or even the google ads that sometimes appear on this site.
the people who are paying to appear in those are paying a lot more than the sites that actually display them are getting.

Google get a lot more money than the average site or business. they are sucessfull because they are good at what they do, and being good at what they do draws in a lot of customers, google makes millions (if not billions) every year.

as I said for those of you who may have a personal website, or a small business, you have to pay per download on bandwidth when you exceed a limit, why shouldn't google...

what you've effectivly said is that if I can fill my site with lots and lots of stuff, then I should be able to pass the costs on to someone else to cover my download bandwidth of the customers that appear at my site looking at my business and earning me money?

Personally I don't see why I should have to pay to earn google money, and I don't see why any government legislation should be put in place to try and either save companies like google (or yahoo) money, or even charge them more money...
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Same concept as Cable companys making you pay more for premium channels.

Say you use a download site that has a max of 1mb/s download. Thats your basic service that everyone can take advantage of.

Now say you get what will be labeled as premium internet surfing maybe that same site will have a 5mb/s download cap.

I think the term used for those fighting against it is net neutrality. Basically they are fighting to make sure everyone gets equal service and doesn't have to pay extra to surf faster on certain sites.

This is just another step to generate more money. It was inevitable.
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Same concept as Cable companys making you pay more for premium channels.

Say you use a download site that has a max of 1mb/s download. Thats your basic service that everyone can take advantage of.

Now say you get what will be labeled as premium internet surfing maybe that same site will have a 5mb/s download cap.

I think the term used for those fighting against it is net neutrality. Basically they are fighting to make sure everyone gets equal service and doesn't have to pay extra to surf faster on certain sites.

This is just another step to generate more money. It was inevitable.
Whoa, old thread.
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Whoa, old thread.
How in the hell did I manage that? Edit: Actually I bet I know. I was viewing a member and I think this was the thread they were looking at and I clicked the link because I didn't recall seeing it on the 1st page. Stupid me....
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How in the hell did I manage that? Edit: Actually I bet I know. I was viewing a member and I think this was the thread they were looking at and I clicked the link because I didn't recall seeing it on the 1st page. Stupid me....
Yeah, I was looking at it about 20 minutes ago.
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