Originally Posted by setishock
Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
why do we need guns, this country was founded on freedoms. Freedom is not free. Right down to the last man, woman, and child old enough to pull the trigger, we will defend this country. If the need arises we will pick up our guns and man the line. Just like the Minutemen did when we fought for freedom, and our very lives all those years ago.
The right to bear arms and form militia seems like a great idea. and in the way back when this was a good idea, people could essentially buy the same weapons and cause the same death at the same rate as the corrupt government (like the British rule of colonial America)
What do you think will happen if your government is corrupt and intent on keeping it's citizens down now? do you really think that your walmart gun is going to be any match for anything that the military have?
What if then the fledgling government said we couldn't have our personal guns. The British would have rolled in and things would have turned out a lot differently.
That's a stupid argument.
the law allowing you to have guns was written after the war of independence.
you're saying a law drafted after an event led to victory in the event?
Also see above, I don't really care what gun you have, and how many time you've been to the range target shooting, your gun is no match for the armys guns, trained soldiers, helicopters, bombs, tanks, armoured carriers...
the gun you have, that's a gun that you have for fun. given that other people also have guns (I mean "bad" people) you may find it necessary to have a gun for your personal protection from your fellow citizens.
but the idea that you're going to form militia, defend your country, etc is just bull.
the idea that you're going to stop corrupt governments is not only stupid (given that the country has more guns than you), but also keeping guns for that purpose would likely be an act of sedition.
sedition is a federal crime.
felons can't have guns.
you may want to revise the reason you want to keep guns, else it might just be possible for the corrupt government that you want to give yourself family and fellows from, can use their existing powers to stop you!
Originally Posted by celegorm
Look at Sweden where every adult male between 20 and 30 is required to have a firearm as part of their required military service.
you mean Switzerland.
Originally Posted by iPwn
Well, thanks to CIA funded operations like this, we'll probably all lose our firearms. That's just going to make the mass chaos that will ensue that much easier for the red army to squash. We were given these rights because our founders saw the potential for corruption. That fear has come to fruition, and everyone in America is begging to be enslaved.
What we need is a common sense approach to the sale and distribution of firearms. Not mass lunacy and over-reaction.
them damned reds.
of course. as above.
If you;re talking about the red army as in reds under the bed style people inside your own country, well. they won't have guns either.
If you mean that your domestic government will turn commie and you want to use guns to fight it.
well, the only way that could happen would be through election, and to overthrow government, (or even plan to) is sedition, so your guns will be taken away anyway.
Also as pointed out above, the country has a metric shit load more guns and people than you. so whatever fight you did have would be unlikely to be a winning one.
and lastly if when you say red army you're talking of foreign invaders, well. aside from the fact that your own governments military (and every allied force's military) will be fighting that fight for you. your guns in your home won't make a difference against a well functioning military.
As for the better control argument?
are we suggesting that guns for target shooting at a club should be kept at a club? won't help.
The complete banning of handguns doesn't help, (as proven in the UK where a guy was shot last year by police whilst he was carrying an illegal firearm)
what about strict regulation as to who can own guns, and how guns should be stored?
again, as shown in the UK -Tony Martin bought shot guns, (controlled weapons) kept them under his bed (not locked in a safe cabinet) and he bought them specifically to "defend" his house. the guns weren't registered.
Basically, he'd been robbed repeatedly, and so he illegally bought a deadly weapon, stored it under his bed -a dangerous place to keep a gun and used it to shot a fleeing burglar in the back.
that would be illegal both in the UK and the US.
And after all that I think that we can probably all agree.
the historical reasons for keeping guns are no longer relevant.
the fat that they aren't relevant doesn't mean that you should give them up.
gun control is ineffective at stopping people getting killed.
gin control is ineffective at stopping people being killed with guns.