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Old 10-24-2007, 03:39 AM   #1
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everybody talks about how you need extra video ram on your card if you play at high resolutions. WRONG. dont waste your money on extra ram. for example, which performs better the 320mb or 640mb version the the 8800GTS, most people would say the 640mb at high resolutions. 1920x1200 is definitely considered a high resolution am i not right?

Bioshock 1920x1200 max quality, no AA, 8x AF from toms hardware
640mb 37.3 FPS
320mb 37.1 FPS

you payed an extra 100$ for another .2 frames

Lost Planet 1920x1200 max quality 4x AA, 8x AF max quality, medium shadows
640mb 20.5 FPS
320mb 16.4 FPS

a little bit more of a difference here but LP wasnt as optimized as Bioshock, anways its still only 4 FPS.

World in Conflict 1920x1200 4x AA 4x AF very high settings
640mb 6.0 FPS
320mb 3.0 FPS

obviously unplayable on either card but at least you got your moneys worth. your frames doubled with double the amount of ram.


Conclusion:

for people who took the 640mb version over the 320mb version you wasted your money. these results are all at 1920x1200, how many people with the 640mb version even have a monitor that can go that high, none on this forum. most people here are running 1400x900 or 1280x1024 where there is NO difference at all in performance.

overall the video card manufacturers have done a GREAT job in advertising. video ram is now the most over rated spec of any piece of hardware in your pc now IMO. kudo's to ever thought up the idea of putting large amounts of ram on a crap gpu and sell it for ridiculous amounts of money as a high end gaming card. whatever they did worked
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Thank you for showing me the light.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:13 AM   #3
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Default Re: Why you dont need the extra video ram

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everybody talks about how you need extra video ram on your card if you play at high resolutions. WRONG. dont waste your money on extra ram. for example, which performs better the 320mb or 640mb version the the 8800GTS, most people would say the 640mb at high resolutions. 1920x1200 is definitely considered a high resolution am i not right?

Bioshock 1920x1200 max quality, no AA, 8x AF from toms hardware
640mb 37.3 FPS
320mb 37.1 FPS

you payed an extra 100$ for another .2 frames

Lost Planet 1920x1200 max quality 4x AA, 8x AF max quality, medium shadows
640mb 20.5 FPS
320mb 16.4 FPS

a little bit more of a difference here but LP wasnt as optimized as Bioshock, anways its still only 4 FPS.

World in Conflict 1920x1200 4x AA 4x AF very high settings
640mb 6.0 FPS
320mb 3.0 FPS

obviously unplayable on either card but at least you got your moneys worth. your frames doubled with double the amount of ram.


Conclusion:

for people who took the 640mb version over the 320mb version you wasted your money. these results are all at 1920x1200, how many people with the 640mb version even have a monitor that can go that high, none on this forum. most people here are running 1400x900 or 1280x1024 where there is NO difference at all in performance.

overall the video card manufacturers have done a GREAT job in advertising. video ram is now the most over rated spec of any piece of hardware in your pc now IMO. kudo's to ever thought up the idea of putting large amounts of ram on a crap gpu and sell it for ridiculous amounts of money as a high end gaming card. whatever they did worked
None of those games consume more than 320 megs then it seems.

But soon, 320 won't seem like all that much.

Everybody said the exact same thing about 128 and 256.. then games like Fear, Doom3, and Half-Life 2 came out.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:22 AM   #4
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Well thats interesting rudster. I'd say there's quite a few people on here that play 1680X1050 as well though.

The only game I have not been able to play with max settings at 1680X1050 on my 320gts is in fact World in conflict lol. That game is just a freaking resource hog. I'm lucky to average 30fps with high settings and DX10 and thats dropping down to 1280X768.
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thats why i have a 880gtx as i have a 24" monitor
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None of those games consume more than 320 megs then it seems.

But soon, 320 won't seem like all that much.

Everybody said the exact same thing about 128 and 256.. then games like Fear, Doom3, and Half-Life 2 came out.
the actual gpu will slow down the FPS before ram becomes an issue
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the actual gpu will slow down the FPS before ram becomes an issue
Yeah, these newer games have so many crazy effects going on. Crysis and whatnot will run like crap regardless on either 640 or 320.
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Haha... well what a waste of money...
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thats with dx9 games
get a game thats 100% dx10 like crysis and come back 2 me
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Old 10-24-2007, 06:26 PM   #10
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those are all dx10 games dude, i got that info in a DX10 shootout from toms hardware. did you even read the game titles? surely you know at least bioshock is dx10, anyways all those tests were performed in DX10
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no
those games r all ports
from 360 with minimal dx10 upgrades
give me a game thats completetly dx10 like crysis
that was built dx10 then downgraded for dx9 and 360/ps3
not the other way
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none of those games are ports, they were worked on by different teams cooperatively, thats how they were released at the same time on all platforms.

gears of war for example will be a port, since it wasnt orginally intended for the pc, and they have to manually take the code\models and make them compatible for the pc.

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actually bioshock was ported from PC to 360

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looks absolutely amazing on the 360, with a rock-solid framerate and control scheme. This is no second-class port, and I'm wavering in my conviction to buy the PC version.
also
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/...out/page5.html
there is only a 10FPS difference at 1024x768 but its weird because the ram isnt slowing it down though, because the 320mb OC gains 5FPS.

i didnt use these results since CoH wasnt released as a DX10 title and is completely un optimized for it.
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im telling video ram will be a very big deal
in upcoming games
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im telling video ram will be a very big deal
in upcoming games
yes that could be the case but you cant definatly say that cos you cant tell the future
and i would still say that v ram is one of the last things i would look at , cos look at this one for examply if you fall foul to the whole marketing plyo and stuff you would think my 512mb X1550 would be better than an 8800gts 320 meb which plainly would be a crazy thing to say
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nvidia is dropping the 320MB version though when the 8800GT is coming out, since the 8800GT will outperform the GTS before they add the 16 more stream processors, which wouldn't make any sense to have a higher end car outperformed by a lower end card lol
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Well... sometime you do. After getting the new monitor first my old 320mb card couldnt play much at 2560x1600.

Tried a 640Mb of my mates which did improve things by about 20-25%

But in the end you need a very high end graphics with plenty of ram to do the job at very high res.

Moral of the story......when buying a bigger higher res monitor, find out if your current graphics card will have enough grunt.
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Not very many people run those higher resolutions. But later on, more memory will be used and it will help having the extra video memory.

There needs to be a tool where you can see GPU core usage and GPU memory usage.
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gears of war for example will be a port, since it wasnt orginally intended for the pc, and they have to manually take the code\models and make them compatible for the pc.
Gears of war is not going to be a port to the PC. It's a whole new build of the unreal3 engine, not a port of the 360's build. This one will be fully optimized and ready to kick ass. Don't dare compare that to a port.
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