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Old 04-12-2007, 06:45 AM   #1
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does anyone know by chance what socket the new amd processors will use Agena FX and barcelona

im not much of computer guy but ive been looking to make a "future-proof"
computer and the motherboard im getting is the ASUS Crosshair
sry i know the mb a bit much for a noob but hey its worth it

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Old 04-12-2007, 10:46 AM   #2
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CPUs with the code names 'Barcelona', 'Agena FX', 'Agena' and 'Kuma', have all appeared within a supposed AMD leaked specification road-map.

Barcelona is specified with the following: socket AM2+, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

Whilst Agena FX appears with a socket 1207+, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

Agena comes in socket AM2+ form, quad core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

The lower specified Kuma comes in the socket AM2+ package, dual core, 2MB L3 shared, and Hypertransport 3.0.

Model Core Speed TDP
Opteron 1270SE Barcelona 2.5GHz 120W
Opteron 1268SE Barcelona 2.3GHz 120W
Opteron 1266 Barcelona 2.1GHz 95W

Athlon 64 FX 2500 Agena FX 2.5GHz 120W

Athlon 64 X4 2500 Agena 2.5GHz 120W
Athlon 64 X4 2300 Agena 2.3GHz 120W
Athlon 64 X4 2100 Agena 2.1GHz 95W
Athlon 64 X4 1900 Agena 1.9GHz 95W

Athlon 64 X2 2900 Kuma 2.9GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2700 Kuma 2.7GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2500 Kuma 2.5GHz 89W
Athlon 64 X2 2300 Kuma 2.3GHz 65W
Athlon 64 X2 2100 Kuma 2.1GHz 65W
Athlon 64 X2 1900 Kuma 1.9GHz 65W
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Default Re: what socket?

either way kentsfield/conroe will blow it out of the water,
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Old 04-12-2007, 05:09 PM   #4
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i serously doubt it... kentsfield is just 2 conroes put together, the only good thing about conroes have over brisbane is that their final overclock is around 500mhz higher.

Anyways with rumours new AMD CPUS gonna come back, Kumas and Agenas are just windows and brisbanes with L3 cache, wonder how much better it can get...

If it does get the performance crown, the intel Penryn chips should give some competion. True quad-core unlike kentsfield , 45nm and a huge 6mb cache. Will it be effective competing with L3 cache from AMD?
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either way kentsfield/conroe will blow it out of the water,
That isn't true, Barcelona is supposed to give Intel a run for it's money, we'll see if it does next month probably. Barcelona has some distinguishing advantages over Conroe, just gotta look into it more, Intel doesn't always beat AMD, that definitely wasn't the case just about a year ago when the X2 was destroying Intel's first gen dual core processor. We don't have AMD fanboys for nothing =P.
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i serously doubt it... kentsfield is just 2 conroes put together, the only good thing about conroes have over brisbane is that their final overclock is around 500mhz higher.

Anyways with rumours new AMD CPUS gonna come back, Kumas and Agenas are just windows and brisbanes with L3 cache, wonder how much better it can get...

If it does get the performance crown, the intel Penryn chips should give some competion. True quad-core unlike kentsfield , 45nm and a huge 6mb cache. Will it be effective competing with L3 cache from AMD?
No, Conroe is completely different than Brisbane. Brisbane is only a die shrink of K8, nothing more. Conroe is completely redesigned. The prefetching of the Conroe architecture is far more advanced than Brisbane. Also the quantity of IPCs executed is far greater with Conroe than Brisbane. Conroe is far superior than Brisbane.
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isnt intel coming out with true quad core courter 3
once thats out i doubt amd will compete
cuz the poblem with ati and amd is there to slow to the market
amd will be ahead of intel core a month or to and then intel
will be out with somthing a lot better
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how do you know? Barcelona has only been on paper, no real life benchmarks yet. And Penryn is supposed to be only a 45nm shrink, thats all. No architecture change.
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No, Conroe is completely different than Brisbane. Brisbane is only a die shrink of K8, nothing more. Conroe is completely redesigned. The prefetching of the Conroe architecture is far more advanced than Brisbane. Also the quantity of IPCs executed is far greater with Conroe than Brisbane. Conroe is far superior than Brisbane.
well i guess ur right then best conroe is at 2.9ghz using 2+2mb cache ( Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800). While brisbane's best is 2.5 ghz and only 512+512kb cache (4800+). Though using old K8 archtiure made 5 years ago, its just normal for a new conroe made a couple months ago to beat down it.

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isnt intel coming out with true quad core courter 3
once thats out i doubt amd will compete
cuz the poblem with ati and amd is there to slow to the market
amd will be ahead of intel core a month or to and then intel
will be out with somthing a lot better
More info on the new AMD CPUs

Core Enchancements:

128 Bit floating point:

* Applies only to Agena & Kuma

New SSE4A instructions:

* Advanced Bit manipulation
* MWAIT & MONITOR instructions
* Misaligned SSE Mode

Additional Features:

* Power management state invariant time stamp counter (TSC)
* increased number of TLB Page entries
* 1GB large paging support
* Physical address space increased to 48 bits

IMC Enhancements

DDR2 Dimms in products variations:

* Socket AM2+: Dual Channel unbuffered 1066 support
* Socket 1207+ Dual Channel unbuffered 1066 support

Memory Controller enhancements

* Write Burst & DRAM prefetching performance improovements
* DRAM writes can be buffered in the memory controller before being opportunistically bursted into DRAM controler to improve DRAM interface efficiency
* Read prefetcher detects stride paterns and issues prefetch requests based on confidence level
* Channel Interleaving

Roadmap:

Agena FX:

Q3 2007:
2.7-2.9GHz
2MB L2 total L2 cache for the CPU (quad core so 512KB each core)
2MB shared L3
Socket 1207+
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP not determined yet
65nm SOI

Agena:

Q3 2007:
2.4-2.6GHz
2MB L2 total L2 cache for the CPU (quad core so 512KB each core)
2MB shared L3
Socket AM2+
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP 125W
65nm SOI

Kuma:

Q3 2007:
2.0-2.9GHz
1MB L2 total L2 cache for the CPU (dual core so 512KB each core)
2MB shared L3
Socket AM2+
4000MHz hypertransport Bus
TDP 89w - 65w
65nm SOI

Same L2 cache but with added L3 cache and double hypertransport bus. Should make a difference. With Intel's coming 45nm Penryn proccesors, all i have read so far they are 3mbcache per core (Dual-core 6mb, Quad-Core 12mb) and clock speeds start at 3ghz reaching high over. Next generation's proccesors should be more fun to watch. Even with the release of Penryn (Late this year), AMD will have its 45nm proccesor ready "Shanghai" Opteron CPU a couple months after. Lets see how the tables turn.
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well i guess ur right then best conroe is at 2.9ghz using 2+2mb cache ( Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800). While brisbane's best is 2.5 ghz and only 512+512kb cache (4800+). Though using old K8 archtiure made 5 years ago, its just normal for a new conroe made a couple months ago to beat down it.
Of course. That would be expected. But you said the only good thing about Conroe is that is overclocks 500mhz better than Brisbane.
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