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Old 10-24-2007, 08:08 AM   #1
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Default Time for some upgrades need opinions

With Xmas slowly closing in my family is asking me what I want for Xmas. Rather then buy all the upgrades myself I think i'm going to have them buy some of them for me for Xmas.

Basically I just need some opinions on a few different items.

First off I want to get a new full tower case. First build I went for looks and really didn't look at space issue's. Since I know quite a bit more then before I've narrowed it down to 2 cases.

Cooler Master Stacker 830 KKN2-GP

Cooler Master Cosmos

I'm leaning towards the Stacker just because its proven. I know the Cosmos was Maximum PC's case choice of the year but it seems the stacker should perform better air cooling wise. If I go with the stacker I plain on picking up the following.

Cooler Master Cross Flow Fan

As for the Heat sink fan i'm a bit torn between reviews. Not sure if I want to gamble or not on this. I was thinking of the following 2.

Thermalright IFX-14

Evercool Ultra X

This leads me to a question. I've got that 630watt PSU currently do you think that will have enough power to power most likely 2 HSF fans if I get the IFX-14 plus 6, 120mm case fans and 2 80mm chipset fans + whats in my sig?

Next up chipset cooling I was looking at the following.

For the northbridge the Thermalright HR-05 SLI/IFX

And for the southbridge the Evercool EC-VC

If you think theres something better out there for the 680I chipset hook me up with some links.

Those are the main upgrades I'll have them get for me. I plain on picking up a A1 Revision 680I and Q6600 myself after I get that stuff and just swapping my G.Skill into that build then convert my current build into a media center.

Any cooling or case changes you think would be better?
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Old 10-24-2007, 09:24 AM   #2
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get liquid cooling, get a big pump so you can add blocks too. the LGA775 is here to stay, with new motherboards boasting the 1600mhz bus, youll be able to use your WCing for years to come IMO. its much more efficent than air cooling obvioulsy and youll be able to push your hardware pretty hard. youll just need a new case to fit the stuff.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:21 PM   #3
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I doubt liquid cooling will really be worth it. If you get new chipset heatsinks and such, you'll still be able to OC pretty far.

I'd stick with the Stacker of those too, but if you're spending that much on a case, get a Lian-Li. Superior in every way. This is exactly what you need:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112105

A 630 watt PSU is more than enough for the system. The minimum for an 8800GTS is only 400 if my memory serves me correct. To be safe though, what's the exact PSU model?

For the HSF, get the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. Best HSF on the market right now. Note that you'll need a 120mm fan in addition, something with 100+ CFM would be awesome. This Silverstone one comes with a fan controller, which you'll want.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835109140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835220014
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get liquid cooling, get a big pump so you can add blocks too. the LGA775 is here to stay, with new motherboards boasting the 1600mhz bus, youll be able to use your WCing for years to come IMO. its much more efficent than air cooling obvioulsy and youll be able to push your hardware pretty hard. youll just need a new case to fit the stuff.
I've thought about liquid cooling but I really don't want to mess with it for the little bit extra i'd get over high end air cooling.

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I doubt liquid cooling will really be worth it. If you get new chipset heatsinks and such, you'll still be able to OC pretty far.

I'd stick with the Stacker of those too, but if you're spending that much on a case, get a Lian-Li. Superior in every way. This is exactly what you need:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811112105

A 630 watt PSU is more than enough for the system. The minimum for an 8800GTS is only 400 if my memory serves me correct. To be safe though, what's the exact PSU model?

For the HSF, get the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme. Best HSF on the market right now. Note that you'll need a 120mm fan in addition, something with 100+ CFM would be awesome. This Silverstone one comes with a fan controller, which you'll want.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835109140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835220014
So those chipset coolers look good then? I checked out that Lian-Li but I still prefer the Stacker.

As for the heatsinkfan everyone has either a Ultra 120, Tuniq or 9700. I want something different. And the reviews i've seen on the quad cores both the coolers I linked are beating the 120 Extreme Source

Thanks for the input guys everything should fit up alright with what i've selected right? I'm just curious though with the IFX-14 comes with a heat sink that goes on the backside of the motherboard as well then comes out the top of the motherboard. Do you think i'll have space in the stacker for that to stick out? Found a good link to a review but he's got like a open case so its hard to judge if it will fit or not.

http://forum.abit-usa.com/showthread.php?t=126195
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I like the look of the IFX-14 mate, read a review here that is very interesting. You may need more than two HSF's

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I like the look of the IFX-14 mate, read a review here that is very interesting. You may need more than two HSF's

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LOL look above ya thats the same link I left for freestyler to take a look at

The only thing thats going to suck is if I buy that HSF by looking at those picks i'm going to loose the ability to use my Cosair Memory Fans.

Also you think that backplate is going to fit in the stacker case? It looks like the motherboards mount at the top on the stackers I can't tell if there's going to be space for that backplate that sticks out of the top of the case.
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I just read your pm too, same link tff.

The cooler is able to be rotated 90 to allow your ram fans but unless you have a blow hole in the top of the case that is kind of useless I guess.

Checking out the case now, will post back.

EDIT: From the side view pic on the egg it looks like there is plenty of room (maybe 3-4 inches) from the top of the board try to the ceiling of the case, bloody hard to tell for sure tbh
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Heres a good pic of the case with the fans in the same setup I want to do fan wise. 4, 120mms on the side the 2 on the bottom of the case. I wonder do you think it would be better to cut some of the bottom of the case out put a grill in for the bottom fans that way they suck in more air? Funny stuff I actually got the idea from that thread you put up with the octa quad goodness lol.

Also the thing is if I rotate it 90 degress would that interfere with the HR-05IFX/SLI Northbridge cooler? Its hard to compare because thats a totally different board setup though.

Here was a pic of that pc for example.

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looking at that pic it appears you have the depth of the psu bay clear for the backplate cooler. If it was me,

1/. $A69.00 for the cooler, if the backplate cooler doesn't fit who cares (according to the abit review it does very little anyway) and toss it out. (well put it aside anyway )

2/. If the IFX-14 interferes with the ram coolers then it's only $A69.00 wasted, right

My budget may differ from yours, < $A100 is chicken feed lol.

EDIT: I assumed the case already had holes in the base for fans?? If not then definitely cut some in, hell I'm going to cut all the metal grills out of my case to improve airflow.
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Get the stacker!
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I guess its not a big deal if I can't use the ram cooler I'll just keep it for the soon to be media center. Besides that Crossflow fan and extra case fans should be more than enough I guess.

Thanks for the Input there folder any good recommendations on case fan choices? Also I may possibly need a fan controller for all of them. Haven't really looked at them yet.

I'll have to look at the guys review again he tried so many fan combo's god bless him lol. I'd like to keep whatever I get fan wise to under 40db's.
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Get the stacker!
Quick question, care to explain your reasoning behind that comment??

On any other forum I visit you'd have been pulled up for spam posts by now.

Things like "Get the stacker" "That's cool" "Get that one" posted randomly without contributing to the thread content would be regarded as spam.

Do a quick search of your last 30 odd posts and see how many fall into that category.



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I guess its not a big deal if I can't use the ram cooler I'll just keep it for the soon to be media center. Besides that Crossflow fan and extra case fans should be more than enough I guess.

Thanks for the Input there folder any good recommendations on case fan choices? Also I may possibly need a fan controller for all of them. Haven't really looked at them yet.

I'll have to look at the guys review again he tried so many fan combo's god bless him lol. I'd like to keep whatever I get fan wise to under 40db's.
i made my own fan controller (drilled out a floppy drive bay cover) to house the fan controllers from my Thermaltake Smartfan II fans (I'll post a pic if you want when I get home from work). The reason I did this was because I have a 120mm fan in my spare 5.25" bays and the only 3.5" bay fan controller I found on the net wasn't available here.

There are myriads of fan controllers out there, Zalman make some good looking ones.

My TT Smartfans are virtually inaudable at ~1500rpm and move a good amount of air but they're not the top of the line by any means, have a look at Scythe fans for a good quietness/cfm ratio, I'd also check out the brands in the abit review (couple of brands there I've heard of but had no experience with) other than that it's the old db v cfm ratio comparisons.
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Sure if you want to put up a pic when you get a chance I'd like to see your custom mod.

Ya I'll just look around at case fans in a bit. I think i've got everything pretty much covered then. I dunno if I think of anything else i'm adding to the list i'll put it up.
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Sure if you want to put up a pic when you get a chance I'd like to see your custom mod.
It's nothing flash lol, just four silver knobs on a piece of black plastic but I'll post up some pics anyway, I'll show the 5.25" bays with the Scythe Kama Cooler in there too.

EDIT: A couple of my ghetto mods here, I was very surprised how well the fly screen mesh (plastic) works as a filter, add to that the fact it is cheap and easy to clean and it's a winner.

Pics 1&2: Kama bay cooler and ghetto fan controller (I replaced the Scythe fan with a TT Smartfan II, more efficient but in hindsight I think the black fan vanes of the Scythe were more aesthetically pleasing)
Pic 3: Ghetto fan controller (inside the door)
Pics 4&5: My fly screen mesh ghetto mod










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That looks pretty good for a ghetto setup! Just curious did you always have the Scythe Kama Cooler cooler in the 5.25 slot? If not did you notice any temp drops when you put it in?

I almost bought one of those myself. Maybe i'll have to pick on up for the next case if you think its worth it. Sucks buying the setup then replacing the fan it comes with lol.

What case are you using that looks like a full tower there?

You can see what i'm working with here. My case is way to small and doesn't give me the options that a roomy case would. Picks of the board installed are like 2nd or 3rd post down.

http://www.computerforums.org/showthread.php?t=57597
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Get the money from them for x-mas, then go buy everything yourself.
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That looks pretty good for a ghetto setup! Just curious did you always have the Scythe Kama Cooler cooler in the 5.25 slot? If not did you notice any temp drops when you put it in?
It was an after assembly mod, and yes temp drops noted but in conjunction with the 80mm ram cooling fan, it seemed to respond the most and dropped temps by 2~3C

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I almost bought one of those myself. Maybe i'll have to pick on up for the next case if you think its worth it. Sucks buying the setup then replacing the fan it comes with lol.
To be honest it made fark all difference, in fact if I wind the rpm up too high it actually had an adverse effect, the only reason it works for me now imo is the 80mm fan directing a down draft over the ram fed buy the 120mm intake.

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What case are you using that looks like a full tower there?
Thermaltake Sonata

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You can see what i'm working with here. My case is way to small and doesn't give me the options that a roomy case would. Picks of the board installed are like 2nd or 3rd post down.

http://www.computerforums.org/showthread.php?t=57597
looking, looked, seen, we're on the same wavelength I reckon, just seems you have more patience than me

top guide too btw
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It was an after assembly mod, and yes temp drops noted but in conjunction with the 80mm ram cooling fan, it seemed to respond the most and dropped temps by 2~3C
Thats interesting I may have to look into it after I order the new setup. Always fun trying to get the best airflow possible!

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To be honest it made fark all difference, in fact if I wind the rpm up too high it actually had an adverse effect, the only reason it works for me now imo is the 80mm fan directing a down draft over the ram fed buy the 120mm intake.
Thats the only thing i'm worried about is causing a problem somewhere and actually gain temps.

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Looks like a nice case.

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looking, looked, seen, we're on the same wavelength I reckon, just seems you have more patience than me

top guide too btw
Ya it would seem so lol btw thanks

So I got my wish list together if you want to take a look. The six Thermaltake fans will be for case and under the gpu. The 2 Scythe fans are for the IFX-14. Added the Zalman fan controller i'm hoping the fans come with enough cable.

Chipset coolers are out of stock and they don't carry the IFX-14 so i'll order that seperate through Frozen CPU and I think i'll order the Q6600 through another site that way I know i'm getting G0 Stepping.

Was looking at some of the 1600FSB support motherboards but have not read 2 much on them. I may have to take a closer look though. Otherwise i'll pick up the proven 680I. Sucks I gotta buy another 680I I bout the NF63TR and it doesn't overclock quads well but o well I guess. Another spare board lol.

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