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Old 04-18-2006, 07:38 PM   #1
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Default Possilbe PC build. Require some suggestions.

Hello all.

I'm a gamer, I love graphics and such. However, my current build is getting rather old, an AGP X700, probably the most common AGP card on the market.

In either case, I need to get PCI-Express up and running, quickly. I'm htinking of buying an eVGA nForce 4 SLI motherboard and an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ processor and a 7300GS. The interesting thing here is the 7300GS. From some reviews, it seems as though the 7300GS can play any game on High to Maximum settings, due to its 256MB onboard GDDR2 memory, and with a turbo chache of 256MB, totalling for 512MB of GDDR2.

Now, apparently, if you don't like having a high resolution, and don't mind playing at 800x600, which is fine by me, then you can play at Maximum settings on F.E.A.R and Battlefield 2, which is amazing considering the badnwidth of the memory is only 64-bit.

Now, here's my dilema, should I purchase the cheap stuff now, or, save up, which might take awhile because due to family problems my money has to go to bills and the like, so saving up is rather iffy. So, should I just make the move to PCI-Express now, then, try to save up, replace the Athlon 64 3000+ with an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and a 7900GT or GTX later on? Consider that the difference in money is nearly $800 to $1000.

Any suggestions and/or comments on this build is very much welcome and much appreciated.
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Old 04-18-2006, 10:49 PM   #2
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GenoXide,

Im a 15 yr old kid that knows more than I should about computers, but i cant help myself because i work at my dads computer shop. I'm also a gamer, and in the gaming world its all about updating, so what I would do if I was in your position I would buy a new motherboard that could be compatible with new models. Buy a motherboard that could support Athlon 64, Anthlon 64 FX, and Athlon 64 X2 which is now the youngest brother in the AMD family and it supports dual core! Make sure it supports SLi which allows you to use two nvidia SLi video cards to boost performance. The GTX is kinda hard to find these days but im sure newegg.com has it, but if your trying to save up you could go for a alternative like a BFG 7800GTOC 256MB GDDR3 card for $350, i have one and I play F.E.A.R. on my computer with maximum settings and its on 1280x1024 and it plays as smooth as it will on a console.

So yeah make the big move to PCIEx16 and make the jump to SLi and Dual-Core and you'll be just fine.
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Old 04-18-2006, 11:24 PM   #3
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If you don't mind playing a game at 800x600, then you shouldnt even bother getting a 7xxx series, or an SLi motherboard for that matter, even if it comes free. I would just get some x1600 card for like, 120 bucks and dont even bother getting a new motherboard.
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Old 04-18-2006, 11:34 PM   #4
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I already am getting an eVGA Socket 939 motherboard that has the NVIDIA nForce4 SLI chipset. Trust me, I knwo my way around PCs. But I need a general opinion on if I should buy the crappy parts now, so that I have the option to go Dual Core and eventually to an X1800 series or 7800 or 7900 series gra[phics card. Although since it is an SLI motherboard, I'm sure I'll go with NVIDIA, although my preference lies within ATI.

In either case, the eVGA motherbaord I was considering does infact support the Athlon 64 X2 dual core line up, and with the Socket AM2 motherboard being released on June 6th, this only lowers the price of my motherbaord, and the price of the X2 3800+ I am considering. However, like I said, money at home is rather tight, so I'm not sure that I will be able to save up in time. This si why I want to get parts that allow me to upgrade later when the money and time allows.
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You have a AGP slot, so yeah its better if you upgrade to something like that.

F.E.A.R. system requirements
* Windows 2000/XP with latest service pack installed
* DirectX(tm) 9.0c
* Pentium 4 1.7 Ghz or equivalent
* 1GB RAM
* 128 MB DirectX 9.0 Compliant Video Card with hardware T&L and pixel shader support*
* 3.0 GB free Hard Drive Space for installation
* Additional hard drive space for a Windows swap file and saved game files.
* 16-bit DirectX 9.0 compliant sound card with support for EAX 2.0
* Broadband connection for multiplayer games.
* Mouse & Keyboard

yeah try getting the Radeon X1600 Video Card, 8x AGP, 512MB GDDR3.
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ok whats ur spending limit?
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I already own F.E.A.R and with my X700 I can play it on medium settings, although the graphics aren't good enough for me! So my X700 aint cutting it, and all the good GPUs are in PCI-Express. This is why I need to make the move tp PCI-Express. Although the 7800GS is looking like a promising card. Any suggestions?

My current specifications are as follows...

Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.8GHz
1 Gigabyte of PC2700 RAM
Radeon X700
Fiber Optic Internet Connection. (Widely available on the East Coast! )


So yeah, I got the processing power, RAM amount, and GPU to play it, but, I want to play it at higher settings. So yeah. Any advice/ideas?
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if you have a SLi motherboard, it would b better if you buy the GeForce 7800 GT OC Video Card, PCI Express, 256MB DDR3. And later on you could buy another one for SLi!
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or if your looking for more power and speed, try the 7900GTX if its available to you.
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Save up, go PCI-e and Physx around Q2 - Q3 2007
(well, thats my plan anyway, roll out the Conroe Intel )
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Originally Posted by GenoXide
I already own F.E.A.R and with my X700 I can play it on medium settings, although the graphics aren't good enough for me! So my X700 aint cutting it, and all the good GPUs are in PCI-Express. This is why I need to make the move tp PCI-Express. Although the 7800GS is looking like a promising card. Any suggestions?

My current specifications are as follows...

Intel Pentium 4 @ 2.8GHz
1 Gigabyte of PC2700 RAM
Radeon X700
Fiber Optic Internet Connection. (Widely available on the East Coast! )


So yeah, I got the processing power, RAM amount, and GPU to play it, but, I want to play it at higher settings. So yeah. Any advice/ideas?
Ahh, the great east coast How is it living over there *shrug*

Anyways, Ati is the king, do some searching here. Such as one of Jac006's recent threads. You will see that the X1900XTX is owning it all. As an old member Justin quoted: " It takes quad 7900's to beat two X1900's"

So yeah
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Well he already got a SLi compatible motherboard, and hes on a low spending budget, i duno its upto him. If only he made a switch to a crossfire compatible motherboard.
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Old 04-19-2006, 02:58 AM   #14
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I haven't bought ANY parts as of yet. I'm considering the eVGA SLI board, however I may end up buying an Intel 975X chipset so I can get a Conroe when it comes out. I knwo all about the Conroe and what not, I love CPUs. In either case, I may end up just getting an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ in a few months, that should definetly quinch my thirst for a dual core!

However, the 7900GTX and X1900XT/X, whichever you want, are incredibly expensive, just to have the 7900GTX in SLI cost well over $1000, somethign I am not willing to spend when from what Anandtech and Tom's Hardware along with various others are saying, DirectX 10 being delayed until 07', so that's not to far around the corner, why waste money on somethign that is about to go obsolete?

In either case, if anyone is up to building a 'mock' PC then please do so, any suggestions are welcome.
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I haven't bought ANY parts as of yet. I'm considering the eVGA SLI board, however I may end up buying an Intel 975X chipset so I can get a Conroe when it comes out. I knwo all about the Conroe and what not, I love CPUs. In either case, I may end up just getting an Athlon 64 X2 3800+ in a few months, that should definetly quinch my thirst for a dual core!

However, the 7900GTX and X1900XT/X, whichever you want, are incredibly expensive, just to have the 7900GTX in SLI cost well over $1000, somethign I am not willing to spend when from what Anandtech and Tom's Hardware along with various others are saying, DirectX 10 being delayed until 07', so that's not to far around the corner, why waste money on somethign that is about to go obsolete?

In either case, if anyone is up to building a 'mock' PC then please do so, any suggestions are welcome.
what is ur spending limit on the video card? and make a decision, ati or nvidia? Once you make up which company to go with then you'll know what motherboard to buy which is either a SLi motherboard (for nvidia) or a Crossfire ready motherboard (ati). If you are willing to buy a really good video card as an alternative i would recommend the eVGA Geforce 7600GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130284) with a core clock of 600MHz and a memory clock of 1560MHz, and its SLi ready. If your going for a ATI card i would suggest a SAPPHIRE Radeon X1800XT for a awesome alternative (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102629 ) and it has a core clock of 625MHz and a memory speed of 1500MHz.
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if u go nvidia/sli, get the 7600gt. it's pretty cheap and is really good for its price.
if u go ati/c.fire, get something in the x1600 or x800 series. they can be crossfired the most easily/cheaply.

if u go with AMD for the processor: dont get the Athlon64 3000 right now. save up a little bit and get a dual core. for that u should look at x2's and opterons. they are pretty much the same price.
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Old 04-21-2006, 12:47 PM   #17
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I've thougth about this build many times, and I've come to this conclusion...

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813186059

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16814130011

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16819103537


The 7600GS is a good card, the only thing it doesn't have against the GT model is clock speeds, however, this is easy to fix, with a simple overclock, the thing wil be flashed to a GT, saves me money.

Not to mention, the motherboard supports everythgin i currently have in my PC, which is great. The processor isn't that good, but it doesn't have to be as I'll be makign the switch to the X2 here very soon after, or, I'll try to at least.

In either case, this build did not have to be all-out or anythign, just a simple conversion from AGP to PCI-Express. And it delivers that without a problem, and on a serious budget.

I chose SLI over CrossFire mainly because the 7600GS is cheap, and performs very well. I would have gone with the 512MB X1600 Pro, however, I didn't want tp spend $20 more on it, so it saves me money, and that's less hours I have to work, which is always a nice thing.
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I didn't want tp spend $20 more on it, so it saves me money, and that's less hours I have to work, which is always a nice thing.
haha. min wage is killing me. 6.75/hr
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Well, the market is really good right now. You can upgrade to an sli motherboard, and get your 7800/7900 now, or save up your money for the Direct X 10 video cards. I'd just hang in there for a little while longer. But if you cant wait, lol, get an Nvidia 7600 Gtx. It's only like 170 after rebate.
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Minimum wage for us is $7.50 an hour. It's nice.

I'm thinking I may want to purchase my parts now, I want to use PCI-Express right now, I'm tired of AGP and it's slow bandwidth. Plus, all the good video cards are on PCI-Express, so this is even more insentive to purchase a PCI-Express motherboard, preferably SLI or CrossFire.

I'm definetly getting the 7600GS though and OCing it to 7600GT speeds. Saves me money, so it's all good.
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