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Old 09-21-2008, 06:39 PM   #1
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I was going to buy a new PC for the holiday season to play all the latests games such as UT3, C&C3, and the like. But I ran into a problem: what PC company should I buy from? My price range is from $300 - $380 for a PC if the PC doesn't come with 2 gigs of RAM (I'll get http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...808&CatId=1554 if it comes with 1 gig), and no matter what, I'll also add http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...578&CatId=1558. If the PC already has 2 gigs of RAM, my price range is $300 - $400.

Here are a few PCs I'm suggesting:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1212192194316

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/ZT-El...oductDetail.do

If you have any other suggestions for PCs, please reply. Look in circuit city for more PCs (under or the same as $400 [$400 if it has 2 gigs of RAM])

So which company is better of the following? List them from best to least when you reply.

Acer
ZT
Compaq

Thank you for reading!

P.S. Sorry for the double-thread. It was an accident.
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:42 PM   #2
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That video card will not play all the latest games at anything other than super low. That ram you want to add will work in the compaq, which is the better of the two computers, but still not that good for gaming. And I'm not sure if you can add a pci-express16 video card into that machine.
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:34 PM   #3
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That video card will not play all the latest games at anything other than super low. That ram you want to add will work in the compaq, which is the better of the two computers, but still not that good for gaming. And I'm not sure if you can add a pci-express16 video card into that machine.
1. First of all, why can that video card only play the latests game on super low? It says 256mb video card? Tell me your reason why. And recommend a graphics card if you want.

2. Explain why the RAM is bad for gaming?

3. Finally, why is a PCI-e16 video card too much for the PC I selected? I need to know.
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That video card will not play all the latest games at anything other than super low. That ram you want to add will work in the compaq, which is the better of the two computers, but still not that good for gaming. And I'm not sure if you can add a pci-express16 video card into that machine.
Both of the computers support PCI-E x16.

@OP: I think what Rubber314Chicken meant by "not good for gaming" is that neither of the computers will perform top quality on gaming. The Compaq is probably your best choice. I would also downgrade to XP instead of Vista if you can. You will be able to run games at higher settings in DX9 than in DX10. As far as the video card goes don't get the 8400GS. Go for the 8600GT or better. Rubber314Chicken said that the video card might not work because he didn't know if the slots were PCI-E x16, but they are. Video cards aren't evaluated by memory, it goes deeper than that. You have to look at core clock, shader clock, and memory.
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Old 09-21-2008, 07:55 PM   #5
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Is this video card good? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...aCjCVqHCjCdwwp

How about just go to ttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Recs=30&Nav=|c:1558|&Sort=4 and recommend a video card $40 and under.
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that card might still be bad. I had an x1950 and its better than that card, but i still couldnt play UT3 on max settings, it was a mix of high and medium, most on medium and AA turned off.
what resolution do you plan on playing it on?

i think this car performs better than the x1300
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814260075
but not as good as the X1950 IIRC
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Just a suggestion: is this one any good? https://usm.channelonline.com/rivert...?id=M003807815

P.S. Thanks ya'll for replying!

EDIT: another suggestion: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...465&CatId=1558
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from the benchmarks i saw online, the only ones that beats the x1950 in single cards are either the 8800, 9800, 2xx series for nvidia, or the HD 2900, HD 38xx, or the 48xx. The x1950 was an high end card, though it was outdated, it still performed better than most cards.
It think to run UT3 on max settings you might need to spend about $100 on a card.
the latest games requires a lot of greens, especially if you want to max them all out.
i would forget about the Pentium D, they do not make good gaming computers, and they run really hot.
might be cheaper if you are willing to build your own computer.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127384

If you could spend the extra money and get that it would be great.

I would get the Compaq and the above video card. If you wish to see some reviews on the card above:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...D_4650/?page=1

If you could spend a little more I would get one of these when they come in stock. Those are quite nice considering there quite low in price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...on%20HD%204670
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or if he is willing to pay $111, he can get an 8800GT which can max out most of the latest games.
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Well, at tops, I only can spend around $70 for a video card, though I would rather spend $50...

P.S. Thanks for helping, ppl!
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You have a good bit before you want to buy the PC. Just save up another hundred of so dollars and build your own like I did. I tear through Crysis and other games at maximum settings on a $600.00 build.
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You have a good bit before you want to buy the PC. Just save up another hundred of so dollars and build your own like I did. I tear through Crysis and other games at maximum settings on a $600.00 build.
really? mines was an $800 build (not the one in my sig)
and i only get about 17FPS on the highest settings with AA on in Vista, and about 25fps with the highest settings without AA on XP.
unless you play on a really low resolution monitor.

What are your specs and resolution?
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that video card is super cheap, eh I'd ask around on the forums, get like a GPU thats like 200$ then you can play UT3 dont spend so much on ram, you can get 2gigs for cheap like 30-70$ ask around, alot of people have good builds here ^_^
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You need to save up more for a better rig. What you're looking at will not run games decently. I would spend $400 for an office computer, but not a gamer.
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OK, I did my research on video cards, and I want ya'll to show me a list from best to worst (top to bottom) of the following video cards:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...aCjCVqHCjCdwwp

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...465&CatId=1558

https://usm.channelonline.com/rivert...&id=M003807815

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121270

I tried to paste this website, but it kept messing up. So I copied letter for letter, number for number to get exactly the right website. But instead, it went to an "imposter" or "copy" website. It will still tell you all the info you need to know though. Try and find this same video card at Dell.com if you want the real website.

https://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...098&lid=674095

I'm not sure about this one... I doesn't have a final price yet without calling them...

https://usm.channelonline.com/rivert...?id=M003994707

A long list, eh?

EDIT: Anybody?
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you're all over the place man. But seriuosly save up. All those video cards would be bottlenecked by the computer you chose. Don't waste the money.
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really? mines was an $800 build (not the one in my sig)
and i only get about 17FPS on the highest settings with AA on in Vista, and about 25fps with the highest settings without AA on XP.
unless you play on a really low resolution monitor.

What are your specs and resolution?
Hey, I'm sorry. I should have mentioned that.

Asus P5QL Pro Motherboard
Intel Q6600 Quad Core Processor 2.4Ghz
2GB Kingston Hyperx RAM
Nvidia 8800 512 MB PCI EXPRESS 2.0
320GB Western Digital Hard Drive 7,200 RPM
An extremely ventilated TRICOD case

I'm running XP Pro. I'm not a huge fan of Vista. I don't use AA or AF. But, my resolutions are anything from 1024x768 to 14490x900 depending on the game. I can run Crysis Warhead on the highest settings. I keep motion blur to mainstream, though. I'm just not a fan of it, haha. I do get very rare hiccups. But, nothing to worry about.
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I'm running XP Pro. I'm not a huge fan of Vista. I can run Crysis Warhead on the highest settings. I keep motion blur to mainstream, though. I'm just not a fan of it, haha. I do get very rare hiccups. But, nothing to worry about.

Well, you have a few things wrong with that. One, get the original Crysis. The original Crysis is A LOT better looking than Warhead. Two, Play on Vista to actually use DX10. Three, that's no $600 dollar build. If you had to pay for Vista it would be a whole bunch more.

Also,JoeBro, I would just save up more money. If you want a gaming computer you can't cheap out of the video card first of all. Get about $600 and a 8800GT and you would be okay. $800 for me in the minimum for a gaming PC, but that's just me.
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OK, I did my research on video cards, and I want ya'll to show me a list from best to worst (top to bottom) of the following video cards:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...aCjCVqHCjCdwwp

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...465&CatId=1558

https://usm.channelonline.com/rivert...&id=M003807815

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121270

I tried to paste this website, but it kept messing up. So I copied letter for letter, number for number to get exactly the right website. But instead, it went to an "imposter" or "copy" website. It will still tell you all the info you need to know though. Try and find this same video card at Dell.com if you want the real website.

https://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...098&lid=674095

I'm not sure about this one... I doesn't have a final price yet without calling them...

https://usm.channelonline.com/rivert...?id=M003994707

A long list, eh?

EDIT: Anybody?
haha, you were like me when i was trying to purchase my first graphics card, i did not know anything about graphics card, all i knew was one performed better, and the new series always performed better than the old series. But it turns out i was wrong, and then i started researching graphics cards, and i finally know which one is good, and which one is not.
My first card was the X700 2 years back, and it wasnt the best one out, it was outdated too, but it was $50, and i bought it, i noticed dramatically between the card and onboard. After that card, i did more research and now all i do is purchase high-end cards since it fits my needs and i dont need to buy a new graphics card as quick either. so in the end its all worth it.
Though they are pricey, they are well worth it compared to the cheaper ones since they are only about a few $10s more.
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