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Old 01-08-2008, 07:10 AM   #1
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Hey,

as all listeners from the U.K are probably now aware the service will soon be switching off to us on our small island just of Europe.

This got me thinking, they identify your location using your I.P address, right?
so if i got a program that changes by I.P address around the globe and more specifically to the U.S would i be able to listen?

i know there used to be a program called internet anonyme i think that did that type of thing, but i am not sure if it is stil around. does anyone know of any other programs that do the same thing?

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It was always switched off to us, but they never did an I.P check, so you could basically list any state of address, and it'd work for you.
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yeah i know, but apparatly they are checking the IPs now, have a look at the e-mail i got sent this morning:

hi, it's Tim,
This is an email I hoped I would never have to send.

As you probably know, in July of 2007 we had to block usage of Pandora outside the U.S. because of the lack of a viable license structure for Internet radio streaming in other countries. It was a terrible day. We did however hold out some hope that a solution might exist for the UK, so we left it unblocked as we worked diligently with the rights organizations to negotiate an economically workable license fee. After over a year of trying, this has proved impossible. Both the PPL (which represents the record labels) and the MCPS/PRS Alliance (which represents music publishers) have demanded per track performance minima rates which are far too high to allow ad supported radio to operate and so, hugely disappointing and depressing to us as it is, we have to block the last territory outside of the US.
Based upon the IP address from which you recently visited Pandora, it appears that you are listening from the UK. If you are, in fact, listening from the US, please contact Pandora Support: pandora-support@pandora.com.
It continues to astound me and the rest of the team here that the industry is not working more constructively to support the growth of services that introduce listeners to new music and that are totally supportive of paying fair royalties to the creators of music. I don't often say such things, but the course being charted by the labels and publishers and their representative organizations is nothing short of disastrous for artists whom they purport to represent - and by that I mean both well known and indie artists. The only consequence of failing to support companies like Pandora that are attempting to build a sustainable radio business for the future will be the continued explosion of piracy, the continued constriction of opportunities for working musicians, and a worsening drought of new music for fans. As a former working musician myself, I find it very troubling.
We have been told to sign these totally unworkable license rates or switch off, non-negotiable...so that is what we are doing. Streaming illegally is just not in our DNA, and we have to take the threats of legal action seriously. Lest you think this is solely an international problem, you should know that we are also fighting for our survival here in the US, in the face of a crushing increase in web radio royalty rates, which if left unchanged, would mean the end of Pandora.
We know what an epicenter of musical creativity and fan support the UK has always been, which makes the prospect of not being able to launch there and having to block our first listeners all the more upsetting for us.
We know there is a lot of support from listeners and artists in the UK for Pandora and remain hopeful that at some point we'll get beyond this. We're going to keep fighting for a fair and workable rate structure that will allow us to bring Pandora back to you. We'll be sure to let you know if Pandora becomes available in the UK. There may well come a day when we need to make a direct appeal for your support to move for governmental intervention as we have in the US. In the meantime, we have no choice but to turn off service to the UK.
Pandora will stop streaming to the UK as of January 15th, 2008.
Again, on behalf of all of us at Pandora, I'm very, very sorry.


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Old 01-08-2008, 09:11 AM   #4
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Yeah, every one of us will be blocked in this case, though I don't think I got that e-mail.
Though actually... I don't think I gave a true e-mail address either...opps.

Maybe the rights will change sometime in the future.
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so you dont think there is anyway of disgusing our I.P address to trick Pandora into thinking we are in the U.S.??
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Well, this now becomes a legal issue, so doing that now is most likely illegal.
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In theory yes, but morally I think it is a absurd, its been fine for years but suddenly because licence disagreements people from the U.K are now unable to listen.

Are we as a community going just lie down and again be the bitches of the music industry?!? We should at least discover ways around this that would not affect the legality of how Pandora is run!

As far as I am aware it is not illegal to make your I.P address appear as if it is in another country so we would not be doing anything technically illegal.

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In theory yes, but morally I think it is a absurd, its been fine for years but suddenly because licence disagreements people from the U.K are now unable to listen.

Are we as a community going just lie down and again be the bitches of the music industry?!? We should at least discover ways around this that would not affect the legality of how Pandora is run!

As far as I am aware it is not illegal to make your I.P address appear as if it is in another country so we would not be doing anything technically illegal.

Any thoughts?
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and yes, im endorsing it. nothing wrong with it
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so being of the computer illiterate type (compared to you guys) how would one go about setting up a proxy.
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you don't need to setup anything

http://www.ocrig.com/
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