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Old 05-15-2010, 11:43 PM   #41
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a good 80+ certified psu usually runs at over 80% efficiency, how is running a 400w psu loaded to about 320w-350w (roughly 80%) "pathetic" efficiency...? please explain...
I'm not sure you are completely familiar with 80 plus certification. They are certified at room temperature. That means they are not factoring in the heat of other components in the system. Plus, 80 plus certification isn't like the end all be all of what to look for. I can tell you right now, though, I wouldn't want to run a PSU within 50w of it's rated output any day. Plus, a 400W PSU isn't going to put out 400w on the 12v. So you better hope to hell your "320-350w" draw is factoring in a lot of devices not running off of 12v or you WILL be overloading your PSU.

Anyone buying a quality PSU should look for reviews on the unit and see how "noisy" the unit is electrically. That'll tell you a lot about the quality, as well. If there aren't extensive, reliable reviews, I don't buy the PSU. Easy as that.
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I'm going with that Rosewill...thanks Rooster.
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Really. . .

This is a very good 600W PSU that is cheaper than alot of 450 - 500W power supplies:Rosewill RP600V2-S-SL 600W- $54.99

Your philosophy that higher wattage PSU's cost more no longer holds water. There are many quality "high wattage" power supplies that are reasonably priced. Besides, most people that purchase the recommended PSU, don't always buy quality brands and go for the best price.
wow, really dude...? let me break it d-o-w-n real slow for you...

in your zeal to prove me wrong, you didn't notice the word "usually" in that sentence...? really...? since when did usually mean every time...? please enlighten me, I await with bated breath...
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wow, really dude...? let me break it d-o-w-n real slow for you...

in your zeal to prove me wrong, you didn't notice the word "usually" in that sentence...? really...? since when did usually mean every time...? please enlighten me, I await with bated breath...
Calm down. No one is trying to prove themselves the master of powersupplies here. You're blowing this out of proportion.
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I'm going with that Rosewill...thanks Rooster.
You're welcome.

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wow, really dude...? let me break it d-o-w-n real slow for you...

in your zeal to prove me wrong, you didn't notice the word "usually" in that sentence...? really...? since when did usually mean every time...? please enlighten me, I await with bated breath...
Wasn't trying to "prove you wrong". It's called illustrating a point.

If, as you say, the video card companies were "scratching" the power supply manufacturer's backs, then why don't they recommend a specific brand instead of a wide encompassing wattage?
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I'm not sure you are completely familiar with 80 plus certification. They are certified at room temperature. That means they are not factoring in the heat of other components in the system. Plus, 80 plus certification isn't like the end all be all of what to look for. I can tell you right now, though, I wouldn't want to run a PSU within 50w of it's rated output any day. Plus, a 400W PSU isn't going to put out 400w on the 12v. So you better hope to hell your "320-350w" draw is factoring in a lot of devices not running off of 12v or you WILL be overloading your PSU.

Anyone buying a quality PSU should look for reviews on the unit and see how "noisy" the unit is electrically. That'll tell you a lot about the quality, as well. If there aren't extensive, reliable reviews, I don't buy the PSU. Easy as that.
oh I'm familiar, but good psus, which I have been referencing this whole time, don't need to stay at 40C to reach their rated wattage, they reach (and sometimes over reach) their rated capacity during torture tests during testing, torture tests run by the experts at temps above 40C, thus their reputation as good psus...

and no, a good 400w psu isn't going pull 400w on the 12v rail, but for a system like the OP is talking about it won't have to now will it...? are you suggesting that I'm saying run crossfired 5970s on that psu...? lol, whatever dude, those 300+ wattage consumptions are peak numbers that systems like the OP's will probably rarely, if ever reach...

everything you've stated here pretty much applies to crappy psus, good psus take all these variable into consideration, thus their ratings as good psus...

that Rosewill is actually a good psu (one of the few Rosewill models that actually is good), 600w is more than you really need, but it is nice to have some headroom for upgrades later...

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Wasn't trying to "prove you wrong". It's called illustrating a point.

If, as you say, the video card companies were "scratching" the power supply manufacturer's backs, then why don't they recommend a specific brand instead of a wide encompassing wattage?
in your post you say "manufacturers", which we all know for "fact" is patently false (except for very few exceptions), or are you going to argue that point as well...? also since you added an "s" at the end of what should have been "distributors" doesn't your own post imply that it may be more than one...? why limit your options to just one brand when you can help out many, thus have many scratching your back as well...?

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Wasn't trying to "prove you wrong". It's called illustrating a point.
illustrating a point by taking a post out of context and reposting it as such...? lulz...
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I'm just looking for anything that shows the manufacturers purposely overinflate their power recommendations.
Thanks to wol-va-rine, I'll amend it to say:

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Batter up.
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if linking something that will never be admitted by the "distributors" is the only way I can win this argument...I give up...

but one day...maybe many, many moons from now...I WILL have proof, I just have to hope for a whistle blower and also hope I live long enough to link it here...



now I have to get back to more pressing issues, like scouring teh interwebs for the Kendra Wilkinson sex tape...
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OK. In your scenario, we have the video card guys recommending xxx wattage PSU's to help out the power supply guys. Explain this, what do the video card guys get in return for all this scratching?
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OK. In your scenario, we have the video card guys recommending xxx wattage PSU's to help out the power supply guys. Explain this, what do the video card guys get in return for all this scratching?
how old are you...? do you really not understand the business practice of giving kick backs...? not just video card guys exclusively either, but the whole computer industry as a whole (as I mentioned earlier), video card companies are just the tip of the iceberg when talking about kick backs amongst computer hardware companies, and some of it can also be kept for personal gain as well (illegally of course), did you really never hear about the whole Fry's scandal where the former vice president of merchandising and operations embezzled millions from Frys...?

By JORDAN ROBERTSON

A Ferrari-driving vice president of Fry's Electronics Inc. who was allegedly such a heavyweight gambler that casinos chartered private planes to fly him to Las Vegas has been arrested on charges he embezzled more than $65 million from the retailer to fuel his lavish lifestyle and pay off debts.

Ausaf Umar Siddiqui is accused by the IRS of concocting an incredibly profitable scheme in which he cut side deals with some of Fry's suppliers, buying their goods at higher prices than they would normally get, and buying more of them than he normally would, in exchange for kickbacks of up to 31 percent of the total sales price.

The IRS alleges in a criminal complaint filed against Siddiqui that he set up a shell company that hid $65.6 million in kickback payments from five Fry's vendors from January 2005 to November 2008. Of that amount, $17.9 million was paid to subsidiaries of Las Vegas Sands Corp., which operates the Venetian Casino Resort, according to the criminal complaint and regulatory filings. Authorities confirmed the payments went to the casino.

Siddiqui, who lives in Palo Alto, was ordered held on $300,000 bond Monday at a hearing in U.S. District Court in San Jose. He has been in custody since Friday, when agents arrested him at Fry's headquarters in San Jose in front of stunned co-workers. The details about his Ferrari and the private jets came out during the hearing Monday.

His home phone number is unlisted, and it wasn't immediately clear whether Siddiqui had a defense lawyer. A criminal complaint is one of the preliminary investigative steps for arresting someone and securing an indictment.

A Fry's spokesman did not return a phone call from The Associated Press left after-hours.

Siddiqui has not been formally charged yet with the wire-fraud allegations laid out in the criminal complaint. Arlette Lee, spokeswoman for the IRS' Criminal Investigation division, said the judge in the case has given the government 20 days to file formal charges, which she said prosecutors intend to do.

As Fry's vice president of merchandising and operations, Siddiqui pulled down a legitimate annual salary of $225,000, supervised a staff of 120 and his team was responsible for buying all the merchandise sold in Fry's 34 stores around the U.S., according to the criminal complaint. The stores are mostly located in California and Texas.

The IRS alleges Siddiqui was able to amass so much illegal money by convincing Fry's executives that he alone should be responsible for a job that is typically handled by independent contractors -- the job of the sales representative that brokers deals with the suppliers and the stores for a cut of the total sales price.

The reps are kept independent so they're not seen as favoring one side or the other in sales negotiations, and their job can be lucrative if they're good at it, with commissions ranging from 3 to 8 percent of the total sales they bring in, according to the complaint.

The IRS claims Siddiqui started striking side deals with some of the suppliers, in which he would guarantee he'd keep their products stocked on Fry's shelves, in exchange for kickbacks in the form of steep commissions paid to a company he set up called PC International.

The alleged scheme unraveled when another Fry's executive walked into Siddiqui's office in October and saw spreadsheets on his desk outlining the payments and alleged kickbacks, according to the complaint. Siddiqui wasn't there, so the executive took the documents, contacted the IRS and handed over the evidence.

The IRS later examined Siddiqui's bank records and found that a total of $167.8 million was deposited into the bogus company's bank account. Seventy wire transfers totaling $65.6 million came from five Fry's suppliers, who were not named as defendants in the case.


some executives in the computer industry are in it for the right reasons, some are in it to see what they can gain personally, just like in most businesses...

are you so naive that you don't understand this...? why do you think crap ECS boards were the mainstay of most of Frys combo deals...? do you really believe that everyone is doing their jobs to make the world a better place for all without any interest in it for themselves aside from their salaries/compensation...? I work in the contact lens industry and my supervisor farms out jobs that we could do in our own shop, why...? take a guess...

business is business and kick backs have been around/will be around much longer than the internet or any of us, no matter how old we are, can I prove this...? no, but I can't prove how hot the sun really is either, and I sure as hell ain't taking a shuttle there to find out, I'll just take the scientists word for it when they postulate what they think it may be...
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