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Old 05-06-2008, 01:58 AM   #1
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Dell XPS 630
Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.40GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium
Black Bezel Chassis
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz - 4 DIMMs
500GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
nVidia® GeForce® 8800 GT 512MB
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
750W Power Supply
SLI capabilities
$1120



I was wondering if this processor Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E8500 (6MB L2 Cache, 3.16GHz,1333 FSB rather than the Q6600 would cause a significant performance change.

Also wondering if Dual 256MB Radeon™ ATI HD 2600 XT's or a nVidia® GeForce® 8800 GT 512MB would be better. =/

Will SLI really boost performance that greatly compared to a single GPU? I ask because there is a lower end model without SLI capabilities and its a like a hundred dollars cheaper. It has the same quad core CPU available or a Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6850 (4MB L2 Cache,3.0GHz,1333 FSB) which is slower than the previous core2duo that was mentioned before.

The computer thats above is $1120. The cheaper model with the same quad CPU and 8800GT 512MB is $1040. The cheaper model has no SLI capabilities.

Dell XPS 420
Intel® Core™2 Q6600 Quad-Core (8MB L2 cache,2.4GHz,1066FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium Edition
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz - 4 DIMMs
500GB - Seagate 7200RPM, SATA 3.0Gb/s, 16MB Cache
512MB nVidia® GeForce® 8800 GT
Single Drive: 16X CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) w/double layer write capability
No Monitor
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
425W Power Supply
No SLI capabilities

This computer will be used for like 40% games, 50 % homework, 10% graphic design (photoshop cs3).

My budget was originally 1000 dollars. However, if upgrades such as SLI are worth it, I may take the risk.
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are you able to build??
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Ya you could build your own computer with much better specs for much less than those prices. I wouldn't advise getting a Dell. Any experience I've had with them hasn't turned out well.
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Ya you could build your own computer with much better specs for much less than those prices. I wouldn't advise getting a Dell. Any experience I've had with them hasn't turned out well.
Ditto.

And with £660 I could build a better AMD or Intel setup.
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I was wondering if this processor Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E8500 (6MB L2 Cache, 3.16GHz,1333 FSB rather than the Q6600 would cause a significant performance change.
It depends on what apps you will be running. For media encoding and editing, you'll be better off with four cores but games will see better performance from higher clock speeds and not extra cores. The E8500 is a great CPU.
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Will SLI really boost performance that greatly compared to a single GPU? I ask because there is a lower end model without SLI capabilities and its a like a hundred dollars cheaper. It has the same quad core CPU available or a Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6850 (4MB L2 Cache,3.0GHz,1333 FSB) which is slower than the previous core2duo that was mentioned before.
The thing about SLI and CrossfireX is that they are very unpredicatable. Performance gain can vary greatly from game to game. But you're never likely to see more than a 50% gain from adding another 8800GT. The general saying is that one powerful card is always better than two lower powered ones, plus becuase your buying it from Dell, they'll probably have put in some shitty 650i mobo which only has 16 PCI-E lanes. (8x + 8x SLI mode). It's because of small things like that and for exemple, the PSU (which is one of the most important components) will be a no name poor quality unit to keep costs down. The RAM will also be generic and have high latencies, I could go on and that is why I would like to echoe the others who have responded to this thread. You are better off building your own, you can get much higher quality parts for less and you won't have the embaressment of having bought from Dell.

If you think it's way above your abilities, have a look at this guide: http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/

Ask away if you want to know something else.

Here's a quick list from Newegg, for $100 less, you can get a Phenom 9850 (outperforms the Q6600 in most benchmarks) and a CrossfireX motherboard which allows you to join up to 4 HD 3000/HD 4000 series GPUs. The PSU I included is also a lot higher quality than the one Dell would supply and I just got the Gigabyte 3D Aurora and it's an awesome case. All aluminium, full tower with loads of really well thought out features, I have the black one though.
And for the graphics card, I included the 8800GTS 512MB but the ATI HD 4800 series will be out this month and they are looking good and yields are reportedly excellent. All the information I could gather on them is in the two pages of this thread: http://pcdiscussions.myfastforum.org/about12.html

Oh, and before anyone says "Why did you pick 1066 RAM? It's exactly the same performance as 800" AMD Phenoms have a built-in memory controller which allows them to send and retrieve data from the RAM without going through the FSB and north bridge like on an Intel platform (this restricts bandwidth and increases latencies). So the Phenom will benefit from 1066 RAM especially because of it's 2000MT/s memory controller speed.
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Well, I decided to build my own PC thanks to you guys

Im a first time builder so anything I should know?
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Well, I decided to build my own PC thanks to you guys

Im a first time builder so anything I should know?
well i can recommend you a setup / system how much in aussie dollars???
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1160 AUD? 1100 Dollars

Does newegg ship to canada?
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1160 AUD? 1100 Dollars

Does newegg ship to canada?
not sure but i will do a setup for $1100 AU....

Mobo - $149.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131232

CPU / Processor - $179.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131232

Ram - $84.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231122

Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822136109

Case - $69.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811146025

PSU / Power Supply - $89.99 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371016

I hope this is ok...
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Cohen, not bad, but I'd go with a seagate hd because the cache is larger, and that psu is a bit spendy for a 550w. Mobo looks fine, but your cpu link is incorrect and the ram is a bit spendy. You can get ram just as good quite a bit cheaper. If i have time later I'll throw together a system. BTW you don't have a gpu or dvd drive listed either.

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Cohen, not bad, but I'd go with a seagate hd because the cache is larger, and that psu is a bit spendy for a 550w. Mobo looks fine, but your cpu link is incorrect and the ram is a bit spendy. You can get ram just as good quite a bit cheaper. If i have time later I'll throw together a system. BTW you don't have a gpu or dvd drive listed either.

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Well, I decided to build my own PC thanks to you guys

Im a first time builder so anything I should know?
Just take it easy with the build....

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My budget will likely boost to $1500 CAD. I can't seem to decide on a good motherboard. I'm looking for SLi or Crossfire support but, I'm not really sure which one to be set on. Nvidia or Ati? Anyways, thank you guys for all the help.
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This list of parts I recommended earlier has all you need. CrossfireX support (AMD's new multi-GPU technology) which scales better than SLI and allows you to pair non-identical GPUs. For example, with CrossfireX you can pair HD 3850 with a HD 3870, something you can't do with SLI.
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i plan on overclocking so how bout cooling?

and how bout that phenom vs a e8400 or a e8500.

i know the e8400/8500 is a good overclocker. however i'm not really confident in my overclocking skills.
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worshipme - what website do you use to do that???
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Excuse me. I hate to be rude but I am tired of searching for a way to post new message. I found it easy to reply but no way to post a new one. I never use forums much and do not know how to get around in them. I checked the FAQ but still could not fine out how.
Can someone tell me where I go to get some help with purchasing a new computer?
I am in a hurry becasue I need it for a new job. I will be designing some large display banners for print. (84 inches by about 40 inches and they will designed in very high resolution.
I want something powerful.
I was jsut fixing to order one from DELL but am a bit queasy after reading some of these posts.
Can anyone tell where I might get this in a fairly short amount of time?
I was going to order the T7400 Workstation becasue it can be upgraded to oodles of ram, 128 I think, and up 1.5 GB graphics card.

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OPERATING SYSTEM
Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media

WARRANTY & SERVICE
3 Year ProSupport for End Users and 3 Year NBD On-site Service

VIDEO CARD
768 MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4600, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
( or I even considered the 1.5 GB)

MEMORY
4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 800MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS)

OPTICAL DRIVE
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed

RAID CONFIGURATION
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration

HARD DRIVE
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™

WIRELESS CARD
Dell 1505 Wireless-N PCIe Card

Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers

SOUND
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic(D),Dolby® Digital 5.1,WXP

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Excuse me. I hate to be rude but I am tired of searching for a way to post new message. I found it easy to reply but no way to post a new one. I never use forums much and do not know how to get around in them. I checked the FAQ but still could not fine out how.
Can someone tell me where I go to get some help with purchasing a new computer?
I am in a hurry becasue I need it for a new job. I will be designing some large display banners for print. (84 inches by about 40 inches and they will designed in very high resolution.
I want something powerful.
I was jsut fixing to order one from DELL but am a bit queasy after reading some of these posts.
Can anyone tell where I might get this in a fairly short amount of time?
I was going to order the T7400 Workstation becasue it can be upgraded to oodles of ram, 128 I think, and up 1.5 GB graphics card.

PROCESSOR
Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5482 (3.20GHz,2X6M L2,1600)

OPERATING SYSTEM
Genuine Windows® XP Professional, SP2 with Media

WARRANTY & SERVICE
3 Year ProSupport for End Users and 3 Year NBD On-site Service

VIDEO CARD
768 MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 4600, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
( or I even considered the 1.5 GB)

MEMORY
4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 800MHz, ECC (4 DIMMS)

OPTICAL DRIVE
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD™ and Roxio Creator™ Dell Ed

RAID CONFIGURATION
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration

HARD DRIVE
500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™

WIRELESS CARD
Dell 1505 Wireless-N PCIe Card

Resource DVD - Contains Diagnostics and Drivers

SOUND
Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ XtremeMusic(D),Dolby® Digital 5.1,WXP

MODEM
Dell ™ Data/Fax PCI Modem

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