Go Back   Computer Forums > General Computing > Hardware
Click Here to Login
Join Computer forums Today


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 12-02-2013, 05:52 PM   #1
Beta Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: England
Posts: 1
Default Need help with server specs/setup

Hello I'm new here and not sure what section this should be in. Also a bit of a server noob

So I have the job of getting the servers for a network with around 50 devices all together connecting to it. My question is about rack servers, I need 3 servers for all of this (I have the layout, switches, cabling set up). But in terms of servers I'm nowhere. I have picked this enclosure

HP BL cClass c7000 Single-Phase Enclosure | Ebuyer.com

Which to my knowledge is just the enclosure? With PSU and fans, it has 10U so I'm planning on getting 3 servers 2U max (need space for expansion) can anyone recommend 3 servers?

The work through the business will be admin work and multimedia applications used for creating interactive media (Adobe Creative Cloud Collection). There's no specific budget but cheaper the better.

Any help would be great, pretty stuck right now.
__________________

Rbeasley14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-03-2013, 02:54 PM   #2
In Runtime
 
briggs&straton's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: n/a
Posts: 283
Default Re: Need help with server specs/setup

ya it seems to me that it is a just an enclosure 10U which is the just how big it it. 3 2u would fit just fine. it looks like the only servers that will fit are the ones that are on the website. question, are you combining the servers together? or 3 seperate ones? i would also look at the dell setups. so 50 devices.. are you going to create a domain, dhcp, and a dns server?
__________________

briggs&straton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 05:11 AM   #3
Fully Optimized
 
BikerEcho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Denmark
Posts: 4,013
Default Re: Need help with server specs/setup

Question. What is 10U. And what do you (biggs&straton) mean by saying "3 2u"?

another question would be, Why do you (Rbeasley14) need 3 servers and this expensive enclosure when you only have 50 devices connected to it. Why not one standard server for domain control and another standard as a file server.

Where i work we had a single standard server to control almost 100 computers.
It worked fine. However we only needed it for domain controller, remote control and permissions.
we also allowed students to save up to 7GB og data on a shared drive located on our server.
__________________
MOBO: Asus Maximus 6 Hero - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980ti xtreme - CPU: I7-4770K - PSU: Corsair AX760
RAM: Corsair Vantage 2x4GB - SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 512 + LiteOn LCS-256 - Case: NZXT H440
BikerEcho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 06:01 AM   #4
Site Team
 
root's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,006
Default Re: Need help with server specs/setup

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rbeasley14 View Post
Hello I'm new here and not sure what section this should be in. Also a bit of a server noob

So I have the job of getting the servers for a network with around 50 devices all together connecting to it. My question is about rack servers, I need 3 servers for all of this (I have the layout, switches, cabling set up). But in terms of servers I'm nowhere. I have picked this enclosure

HP BL cClass c7000 Single-Phase Enclosure | Ebuyer.com

Which to my knowledge is just the enclosure? With PSU and fans, it has 10U so I'm planning on getting 3 servers 2U max (need space for expansion) can anyone recommend 3 servers?

The work through the business will be admin work and multimedia applications used for creating interactive media (Adobe Creative Cloud Collection). There's no specific budget but cheaper the better.

Any help would be great, pretty stuck right now.
this is not a rack.
this is a blade server chassis.
it takes up 10 units of rack space it has space for 16 blades. you will only be able to use blades that fit the chassis...
very different from ordinary rack servers...

Do you have a requirement to use blade servers?

You'll probably find it easier and cheaper (especially in the long run when you have an obsolete chassis holding old blades because they are legacy or something being in the way of your progress!


certainly if you only need three servers at the moment I would not get locked into a specific blade chassis, as you may find it hard to buy new blades later!

Do you have any idea about what sort of server you need?
what are your processor requirements?
what are your RAM requirements?
what storage requirements?
do you require RAID? with battery backup? or hot swap on disks?
are you using local storage or do you need shared storage?
do you have any plans for virtualisation or consolidation of servers?

Why do you need three servers? - are you sure you can't use two by consolidating services, or are you sure it's enough? (do you need more than one host for a service for redundancy, or to reduce single points of failure.?)

how much rack space do you actually have (in standard rack units?)



when you say the cheaper the better...
https://www.google.co.uk/#q=HP+ProLiant+BL460c+Gen8

cost of a blade is around £3k - £7k

https://uk.insight.com/en-gb/product...FczC3godMgwAXg

that's a 7k blade...

a simillar performing ordinary server
HP ProLiant DL560 Gen8 - Xeon E5-4640 2.4 GHz - Monitor : none. - King of Servers

£2k (the processors are a bit different. the blade has 2x8 2.8G core, the servers has 4x4 core 2.4G) both have 64GB RAM...




personally... I'd forget about blades
__________________
I didn’t fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian…
Im sick of people saying 'dont waste paper'. If trees wanted to live, they'd all carry guns.
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; The inherent vice of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
root is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 07:36 AM   #5
In Runtime
 
briggs&straton's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: n/a
Posts: 283
Default Re: Need help with server specs/setup

Quote:
Originally Posted by BikerEcho View Post
Question. What is 10U. And what do you (biggs&straton) mean by saying "3 2u"?

another question would be, Why do you (Rbeasley14) need 3 servers and this expensive enclosure when you only have 50 devices connected to it. Why not one standard server for domain control and another standard as a file server.

Where i work we had a single standard server to control almost 100 computers.
It worked fine. However we only needed it for domain controller, remote control and permissions.
we also allowed students to save up to 7GB og data on a shared drive located on our server.
yes like root said, the U is units. on a server rack you have so many spots for servers so in my shop right now we have 4 2U servers and 4 1U switches. so a total of 12 units filled worth of space. if you ever have seen the common cisco switch they are all mainly 1U. we have Dell R515 2U servers. Long huge blad servers! but the enclosure that he wants only take specific half unit blad servers.
briggs&straton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 07:46 AM   #6
Fully Optimized
 
BikerEcho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Denmark
Posts: 4,013
Default Re: Need help with server specs/setup

I learn something new every day.
Thanks
__________________

__________________
MOBO: Asus Maximus 6 Hero - GPU: Gigabyte GTX 980ti xtreme - CPU: I7-4770K - PSU: Corsair AX760
RAM: Corsair Vantage 2x4GB - SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 512 + LiteOn LCS-256 - Case: NZXT H440
BikerEcho is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:41 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0