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Old 12-26-2005, 12:35 AM   #1
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Well, guys, Merry Christmas! Hope it was a good one for you all.

I got my Compaq V2413US laptop, and I'm very happy! It is awesome! It'll play UT2004 with pretty good settings very, very well! I'm definitely loving everything except the battery doesn't last all that long. But that's okay.

I have an interesting idea... I was on Newegg today because I was thinking about upgrading my system, and I wondered about something. Here it is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103596

I know what you're thinking. "What?! An Opteron?! That's for servers!..." and all. But look at the reviews! If people are getting this thing to FX-55 speeds for 240 dollars, I am interested. And looking at the specifications, it looks better than the AMD Athlons! I just don't understand why I couldn't use one of these in my next system. It looks like there's a great amount of fun to be had with an 2.8 GHz AMD chip. Think of the possibilities, that combined with a nice, new 7800GT and a new motherboard.....................................

Ahem, excuse me while I wipe the drool off of my keyboard.

But anyways, what do you guys think? I mean, those reviews and that rating look very promising. I'm excited with this new idea!

Thanks! Hope you all had a good Christmas!
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:13 AM   #2
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Yeah, go for it!
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:24 AM   #3
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I think I might! One question though, will the Opteron work with Athlon 64 motherboards? No motherboards on Newegg say that they're compatible with Opterons, but they have the same size (90 nanometers) and same socket (939). So, I don't see any reason why they shouldn't, but is there something I'm missing? I believe a reviewer said he was using a DFI LanParty, so I think they will work together.

I'm starting to like this idea more and more! One reviewer even went to say that Opteron = FX, which... most likely is a stretch, to be honest. But, they can achieve FX speeds with stock cooling so I'm definitely willing to give it a shot! They also use a low voltage, as well, which is always good.
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Old 12-26-2005, 01:59 AM   #4
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The AMD Opteron 148 will work on any motherboard, provided that it has Socket 939. The Venus core is very good. It's a improved version of the FX-57's San Diego core with an improved memory controller. It overclocks like a beast too! People have gotten Opteron 146's to 3.0ghz on air cooling and stock voltage (stock speed is 2.0ghz). Opterons, however, aren't as good as the FX series when it comes to gaming. It OWNS, hands down, when it comes to number crunching. I say go for it and overclock the crap out of it! Just make sure you don't get the CABGE "Cabbage" cores though, because those can't overclock for poo. Oh btw, you might want to get them fast because AMD is pulling all Socket 939 Opterons out of the retail market and they will only be available commercialy. Too many people have found the niche and exploiting it, so AMD looses money where they want to gain it. So when Newegg.com runs out of stock, your only options are to find some place else or check eBay.
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Okay. Sounds good! But, how do I keep from getting the CABGE core? Looking at the reviews, I've noticed most people have the CAB2E or CABYE cores. Apparently, the CABYE is the best. How do you choose which one you get or is it arbitrary?

Ugh, it's two in the morning. I'm going to catch some Z's.
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It really depends on your luck. Some people buy a batch and see which ones are CABGE or not.
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Lol, if you don't get the right one then send it back saying its "faulty" or something :P
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Yes, well, I don't exactly have the money to buy a "batch" and pick and choose the ones I want. Because, then, I have to initially pay for all of them. So that can't be done.

Haha, yeah, I could send it back, but hopefully I'll just get lucky and it'll be a CABYE core right when I get it. However, if it isn't, well, then we'll work from there.

It might be a little while before I get the Opteron, though, because I have to pay for a bit of my laptop with my Chirstmas money to help my parents. And it will depend on if I can afford a motherboard, graphics card, and processor all at the same time (and probably a case too) to determine whether I'll be getting it or not. So I hope I'll be able to, and make my parents irritated at me for spending my money on my computer.
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Well, guys, Merry Christmas! Hope it was a good one for you all.

I got my Compaq V2413US laptop, and I'm very happy! It is awesome! It'll play UT2004 with pretty good settings very, very well! I'm definitely loving everything except the battery doesn't last all that long. But that's okay.

I have an interesting idea... I was on Newegg today because I was thinking about upgrading my system, and I wondered about something. Here it is:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103596

I know what you're thinking. "What?! An Opteron?! That's for servers!..." and all. But look at the reviews! If people are getting this thing to FX-55 speeds for 240 dollars, I am interested. And looking at the specifications, it looks better than the AMD Athlons! I just don't understand why I couldn't use one of these in my next system. It looks like there's a great amount of fun to be had with an 2.8 GHz AMD chip. Think of the possibilities, that combined with a nice, new 7800GT and a new motherboard.....................................

Ahem, excuse me while I wipe the drool off of my keyboard.

But anyways, what do you guys think? I mean, those reviews and that rating look very promising. I'm excited with this new idea!

Thanks! Hope you all had a good Christmas!
Ahhh, you finally got that laptop. I agree with you on battery life. Mine dies like in 2 hours!!!! I hate it, but the charger comes in handy in cases like that. I'm not familiar with Opteron setups, but it does sound promising. GUys on here have been complimenting on it's performance. I would suggest you go for it and let us know ALL your results including benchmarks and stuff.
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Old 12-26-2005, 09:25 PM   #10
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Well, it is looking like right now I'll have about 400 dollars to spend, plus a little extra, I think. That's definitely not enough to get a new setup, unfortunately. I'll need a new motherboard (picked out a Biostar SLi motherboard initially, but then realized that people complain about its overclocking abilities, so that's no good with what I'm thinking about ), the Opteron processor which is 240 bucks, and the 7800GT which is about 290 bucks. That's already 530 bucks, and I'll only get 500 if I'm lucky. And then there's the motherboard, so I just don't think I'll be able to do this now.

Unless... someone would like to donate...

By the way, seriously, if you guys have old computer parts that you're wanting to get rid of let me know, I might want them.

EDIT: Hey, TRDCorolla, what's the shortcut key for choosing the processor speeds? I know there's something you can do so that it'll change between 1.6 GHz and 800 MHz. That'd be really useful for controlling temperatures because this hard drive heats up like crazy. I looked at the maximum temperature and it is 55 degrees Celsius; right now mine's running at 45 degrees. It has gotten to 49 degrees and showed no signs of stopping, so watch that. Don't keep this laptop in your lap for long or it will heat up badly. Of course, everyone knows not to put a laptop in their lap.

But if you know that shortcut key, let me know. I know that it changes with the battery settings, but I saw a review that said something about changing the processor speed with the "S" key. I've done control S, alternate S, function S... Nothing does it.

Thanks!
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Okay, here's the deal.

I'm looking at this motherboard to run the setup:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131569

I'm looking at this CPU to run the setup:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103596

And I have a temporary (very old, too, view my other thread) PCI video card that works that I can use to set up my system until I get another video card. And, I have confirmed it does work without drivers.

Also looking at this case to hold it all:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811138059

That brings the total to about 358 bucks. That's not bad, and then the graphics card will obviously raise the price a great amount. But, I can use my current PC for the time where I cannot get the graphics card. The reason I want to get at least this for now is because, as the guy said above, Opteron's will not be available much longer to the consumer market. Does everything here look alright?

I'm opting for the power supply included with the case, just so I can run my current PC while still having this one being able to run (not games, of course, but the video card will display what I need to set it up well enough). I'll upgrade the power supply when I get the graphics card.

I have enough money to get this setup at this moment. And, I'll still have a little extra. I have one more Christmas (with the extended family) to go to and I'll probably get a few bucks there. If, for some reason, I get extremely lucky () I might just be able to grab the graphics card as well (that's doubtful, though). I'll let you guys know then; the party's tomorrow night.

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EDIT: Hey, TRDCorolla, what's the shortcut key for choosing the processor speeds? I know there's something you can do so that it'll change between 1.6 GHz and 800 MHz. That'd be really useful for controlling temperatures because this hard drive heats up like crazy. I looked at the maximum temperature and it is 55 degrees Celsius; right now mine's running at 45 degrees. It has gotten to 49 degrees and showed no signs of stopping, so watch that. Don't keep this laptop in your lap for long or it will heat up badly. Of course, everyone knows not to put a laptop in their lap.

But if you know that shortcut key, let me know. I know that it changes with the battery settings, but I saw a review that said something about changing the processor speed with the "S" key. I've done control S, alternate S, function S... Nothing does it.

Thanks!
That, I have no clue. I didn't know you can change the CPU speed on your laptop. Yes, it does heat up like a mother under there. Here's a tip. When I use it on my desk or a flat surface somewhere, use a magazine or a thin book to prop the back part of the laptop up. That way, the heat can escape more easier. Before, I would just leave it in one place and after removing my laptop from the table top, I would feel the surface. HOT.

Yeah, that Asus motherboard looks good. I never researched Opterons, but it looks like it will run on that board being Socket 939 and all.
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Well, it will change on its own too. Try switching your battery settings to maximum battery, and then let it idle and check the speed of it (you can do so without installing anything by going to Control Panel > System or dxdiag; I'm sure you already know that). I'll bet you it'll be about 800 MHz. Anyway, I'm going to check the BIOS next time it starts up and see if there's something there I can change.
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what does the opteron beat the a64 lineup with? i thought they were only good for servers.
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Overclocking ability. I'm planning to get mine to run at about 2.8 GHz. That's the speeds of an 800 dollar AMD processor! I know it does not run as well with games as the FX series but it'll run better than anything else I can get at around 250 dollars. The competing Athlon processor is a 2.2 GHz, and so is the Opteron, but there's no way you're going to get a Athlon with that speed up to 2.8 GHz on air cooling.
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Everything looks good. I say you purchase it!
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Yep. I'm going to talk to my dad about it (since he's interested in such things) and see what he thinks. Can't wait for it (though it'll be annoying not having a good video card for it for a while... oh well, patience is everything).

Thanks for all of your help.
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Yeah, that's always the downside when you don't have the money yet. I'm way below where I'm suppose to be at (bank account), and a bit shocked how I could spend so much money in such a short period of time. I won't be able to buy anything at all for quite awhile longer. At least I got what I need for now. Got too many bills to pay (credit cards, tuition, car payment, etc).
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Hah, luckily I don't quite have to worry about that yet.

I currently have 580 dollars (or at least around there) to spend as I wish. That means that I won't have enough to get the processor, motherboard, and video card at the same time, but I'll have more than enough to get the processor and motherboard. So, I'm just going to buy those two first, set everything up and use that terrible PCI video card that I found (which supports 16 colors and 640 x 480 resolution ). I'll obviously still have my main computer that I have right now to work with as well, and I'm going to sell some of my old parts on my computer to a good friend of mine who is willing to pay a very acceptable amount of money for my video card and some other stuff. I'll have to seriously discuss things with him and then I'll be able to grab that video card too. Then, I must say, you guys are going to have to bow down to my system.

Not really. Most of you all already have a system better than what I'm upgrading to.

Thanks for all of your support and help, I really appreciate it.

@ TRDCorolla - I have installed GuildWars on my laptop, and can you believe (with most settings all on low, of course ) that it'll play it with a good FPS (like 35!)! I was indeed very surprised by that!
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Okay! Good news everyone! The complete system will be here shortly!

I have arranged for everything to work out perfectly! My friend is buying my video card for a respectable price and I will have enough money to buy the complete system (case, motherboard, processor, and video card!) with money to spare! The only thing now that could result in the negative is if his power supply will not support the video card, but I'm pretty sure that it will. If it doesn't, I'll have to take it back and give his money back. But that's only fair.

I'm very excited about this new development. Also, I'll still be able to run my old system for certain things because I happen to have an old AGP card laying around that I can stick in there to run stuff. It'll even play a few older games (like A.V.P. 2) well.

I thought I'd let y'all know the good news! I should have my new system in a week or so (haven't quite ordered it yet but you know how good Newegg's shipping is ).
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