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Old 08-14-2006, 02:10 PM   #1
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Is using tools such as these to delete/inhibit safedisc illegal?
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Anytime you copy something which is copyrighted, its illegal, unless you have permission from the production company.
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not if you own the original, and not if your in canada.
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Old 08-14-2006, 02:18 PM   #4
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Even if you aren't redistributing those products?

Would the said programs I listed above be detrimental to your system?

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not if you own the original, and not if your in canada.
I own the original... is that strictly Canada (owning the original not illegal), or is it for US too?
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not if you own the original, and not if your in canada.

Well, yea.

If you have the original, why would you be copying it unless you had the intention of redistributing.
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Well, yea.

If you have the original, why would you be copying it unless you had the intention of redistributing.
Uhm. back up? I copy my games if I can and just put the original away. Since games these days STILL demand you put the cd in your cd rom drive just to play, your original disc will get moved around a lot..

it annoys me so much that a game can take up several gigs of your hard drive space, yet they still want the cd to play. Complete and utter bs.
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:02 PM   #7
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Yes, like Mike said... image backup. Again, would those programs I listed be a detriment to your system or the CD (if it means safedisc removal)?
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oh, yea, in that case its handy to do it. I dont play games... so I didnt think about it in that sense.
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i think theres a commercial program that will allow you to rip even copyrighted material to your computer. If you google it you will find it. It is completly legal as long as you own the game, and computer games don't take up as much space as you think. It's easier then making backups of all your games, and this way you can be super lazy and not even bother switching the cd in your cd-rom.
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Old 08-14-2006, 03:37 PM   #10
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i think theres a commercial program that will allow you to rip even copyrighted material to your computer. If you google it you will find it. It is completly legal as long as you own the game, and computer games don't take up as much space as you think. It's easier then making backups of all your games, and this way you can be super lazy and not even bother switching the cd in your cd-rom.
How would it make it easier? For me, I just put in the disk and hit make image... I don't think the info you gave me is adequate enough for even a Google search... could you dig in?
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i had the link saved before, ill see if i can find it again for you.
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Alright, thank you.
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Old 08-15-2006, 04:55 AM   #13
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I'm fairly sure that if a game *requires* the CD to be played, (I.e if there is no install to harddisk option)
and that is the main method of copyrighting then it is illegal to circumvent any copyright measures that are inplace for the protection of a product...

thats why it's also illegal to break the licensing on MP3's downloaded from places like apple to make them play on lots of devices.

The rule about being able to copy things in canda only holds true because the canadians pay taxes on blank media (audio CD's casette tapes video tapes etc) those taxes go to the recording companies... I'm not sure if any of the taxes go to software houses so I'm not sure that this loophole covers software...

Also the loophole only allows for things to be coppied from CD to CD, (since the extra tax is paid on a CD)...

So even in canada it's illegal to break copyright protection by copying something to your hard disk for two reasons.

1, it's illegal to break/circumvent copyright protections.
2, ther is no extra taxes paid on computer harddisks. the only reason it's legal to copy CD's it because when you bought the blank media you paid a tax on it to let you do it... if you didn't pay the tax, then you didn't buy the right to make a (non-profit) copy. -i.e using tools to allow it to be run from the harddisk without the CD is still illegal.

Lastly... just becaus you can buy a tool that does illegal things it doesn't give you the right to break the law.

I can buy a set of lock picks (assuming I wanted to open something of mine where I had lost the keys)... however just because a reputable company makes lock picks, and you can buy them leagally it wouldn't give me the right to pick the lock on my neighbours front door.
There are lots of DVD ripping programs that can be bought legally.... yet it's still not legal to copy films. (without express permission from the copyright holder).
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Old 08-15-2006, 09:32 AM   #14
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If you own the original license you can copy for backup purposes
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:05 AM   #15
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If you own the original license you can copy for backup purposes
Which is exactly what I'm trying to do. However, some of my game discs are locked by safedisc... I gave a link to a list of programs that can even delete this. Would that be illegal and/or detrimental to the system/cd?
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no. just do it. no one will care.
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Old 08-15-2006, 11:23 AM   #17
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So it won't break my compy or CD?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

http://www.cdmediaworld.com/hardware...edisc_v4.shtml
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