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Old 04-13-2008, 03:18 PM   #1
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Okay, it's back to the graphics cards, AGAIN.

Right now, it's between SLI 9800GTXs, and 4-way HD3870 Crossfire (so 2 HD3870 X2).

Obviously, the ATI cards are more powerful. BUT, there are the drivers and the optimization problems.

Sure, in many games, the ATI cards easily outperform the 9800GX2 (it has very near performance to SLI 9800GTXs)



However, in others, they just suffer:



Now, I'm asking, do you think once there are better drivers, that the cards will perform better in games like CoD4, or do you think it'd be better to go with the 9800s?

Also, do you think 4-way Crossfire is really necessary? Is the difference between 3-way and 4-way that noticeable?

Thanks, and sorry for making so many similar threads :P
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:29 PM   #2
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well i aint into graphics but by drivers no, drivers are mostaly for things new software, new software for some cases means new drivers so it kinda throws it at you but like i say thats how i see it.

but like i aint into graphics so i dont think i know much but for all them graphics up their you should quit buying expensive parts for your pc and start studying because when your older the money won't be their unless you work for it hard.

qwow sorry i hit you then, not being offensive or anythhing but im stoned and hey w ht the heck, but go for the one with the highest mark
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:32 PM   #3
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well i aint into graphics but by drivers no, drivers are mostaly for things new software, new software for some cases means new drivers so it kinda throws it at you but like i say thats how i see it.

but like i aint into graphics so i dont think i know much but for all them graphics up their you should quit buying expensive parts for your pc and start studying because when your older the money won't be their unless you work for it hard.

qwow sorry i hit you then, not being offensive or anythhing but im stoned and hey w ht the heck, but go for the one with the highest mark
Okay...

1. I study enough, I have a 4.00 GPA.

2. If you could translate that mess into English, that'd be great.

3. You're bloody stoned...how can you tell me to start studying XD?
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Damn son, how much power do you need? lol, if it was me, I would just go for a 9800GX2 or just one 3870x2. Cause that should get you through a lot for now. It will max any game on the market now probably. Then, as you need it, throw in a second card. But as for me, with the amount you want to spend, just get one 9800gx2. Then in a year or 2 when it cant quite max everything, get another one.

I have a 7900gs, and I can play almost any game on the highest settings... I can max unreal tourny 3, rainbow 6 vegas, gears of war(except DX10 part), Call of Duty 4, BF2142, and the list goes on. Thats with just a 7900gs, so with a card that has about 3 times the power, it should do a damn good job.

What are your other system specs?
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:51 PM   #5
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Okay...

1. I study enough, I have a 4.00 GPA.

2. If you could translate that mess into English, that'd be great.

3. You're bloody stoned...how can you tell me to start studying XD?
yer you have fuckin good point a men man, but i dont know what your grade is never heard of it + im saying games take your life away, trust me, been their done that, spent so much on them its no good at the end.

but anyway yer what ever
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Damn son, how much power do you need? lol, if it was me, I would just go for a 9800GX2 or just one 3870x2. Cause that should get you through a lot for now. It will max any game on the market now probably. Then, as you need it, throw in a second card. But as for me, with the amount you want to spend, just get one 9800gx2. Then in a year or 2 when it cant quite max everything, get another one.

I have a 7900gs, and I can play almost any game on the highest settings... I can max unreal tourny 3, rainbow 6 vegas, gears of war(except DX10 part), Call of Duty 4, BF2142, and the list goes on. Thats with just a 7900gs, so with a card that has about 3 times the power, it should do a damn good job.

What are your other system specs?
Hah, a lot!

Haven't decided on all the other specs, but it's looking at something like this:

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Old 04-13-2008, 03:52 PM   #7
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im giving you advice lol
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Okay...

1. I study enough, I have a 4.00 GPA.

2. If you could translate that mess into English, that'd be great.

3. You're bloody stoned...how can you tell me to start studying XD?
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im giving you advice lol
Dude,

A 4.00 is an A+ Average. I don't play games during the week- EVER. I'm in Rowing, and do a plethora of other activities. I don't need academic counseling from someone who is stoned!

I want to go to med school, and so far, I'm on track for it. Im in all AP classes, and it really isn't necessary for you to lecture me on my priorities, as obviously, I'm handling everything fine.
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Like was mentioned, it may be a little overkill, especially with new gpu architecture on the horizon.

However, if you must have it now, I would say crossfire hands down.

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A 4.00 is an A+ Average. I don't play games during the week- EVER. I'm in Rowing, and do a plethora of other activities. I don't need academic counseling from someone who is stoned!

I want to go to med school, and so far, I'm on track for it. Im in all AP classes, and it really isn't necessary for you to lecture me on my priorities, as obviously, I'm handling everything fine.
You're an undergrad or still HS?

Props, I'm a 34 yo undergrad trying to get into law school. Full time employment, wife and 2 kids. I have a 4.0 and know what a pita it is to keep it, there's so much more work from a 3.5+ to a 4.0.
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Like was mentioned, it may be a little overkill, especially with new gpu architecture on the horizon.

However, if you must have it now, I would say crossfire hands down.



You're an undergrad or still HS?

Props, I'm a 34 yo undergrad trying to get into law school. Full time employment, wife and 2 kids. I have a 4.0 and know what a pita it is to keep it, there's so much more work from a 3.5+ to a 4.0.
Sophomore in HS :P

Yeah, I'm constantly doing work and studying, no fun. I can't imagine what it'd be like with a wife and kids, AND a job. For me it's just rowing...I'm surprised you are able to maintain such a ridiculously high average with all your responsibilities.

Well, I wish you success =] My dad is a Lawyer...he said it was a ton of work as well (he was at the top of his class).

About the computer:

I live in Switzerland, where hardware is much more expansive than it is in the states. I go back to the states every summer, so I'll be building it in early July, so there's a 3 month wait still. I just like fantasizing about it

Hopefully, by then, there will be new releases....
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Well, I'm almost sure SLI still works a lot better then crossfire, but I wouldnt go for either. I would just get one graphics card. A 9800gX2 if you need a lot of power. At that res though, it might be kinda hard.... Maybe 2 9800gx2s if you want to spend more.

And dont get the 10,000RPM raptor. Get a seagate 7200.11 drive, they are like almost as fast or faster then the rapter, yet they only need to run at 7200RPM
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TBH My 8800gts plays everything i throw at it (apart from crysis) on the higest possible settings . there is NO need to pay tipple that just to get a "few more fps"
and there is somthing wrong with the cod4 benchmarks , mines on Max settings and im getting 125fps(thats what its limited too)
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well i aint into graphics but by drivers no, drivers are mostaly for things new software, new software for some cases means new drivers so it kinda throws it at you but like i say thats how i see it.
I don't really understand what you are trying to say but new drivers especially from AMD will improve multi-GPU scaling. Stay away from this place when you can't even construct your sentences properly.
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Well, I'm almost sure SLI still works a lot better then crossfire, but I wouldnt go for either. I would just get one graphics card. A 9800gX2 if you need a lot of power. At that res though, it might be kinda hard.... Maybe 2 9800gx2s if you want to spend more.
Crossfire does actually tend to scale better in games that are well optimized for multi-GPU configurations, but I agree, a single GPU setup is still the best option. A lot of people are saying that future games will improve scaling with SLI/CrossfireX. This is not true. More and more developers are building their engines around consoles, which only have a single GPU. Therefore it is likely support will get worse.
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TBH My 8800gts plays everything i throw at it (apart from crysis) on the higest possible settings . there is NO need to pay tipple that just to get a "few more fps"
and there is somthing wrong with the cod4 benchmarks , mines on Max settings and im getting 125fps(thats what its limited too)
I would have to agree with Cryman here. Forget the 9800GTX, it is only an overclocked GTS. It doesn't have any more stream processors/texturing units etc. If you play at no more than 1600x1200 and you don't play with anything more than 4x AA, then a 512MB GTS is perfectly sufficient. If however you have a big panel and you play at high resolutions with all the filters, then Gainward have released an 8800GTS 1GB. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...0gts-1024.html
The extra VRAM will really help at high resolutions and it has a much better cooler than the 9800GTX. And it will even overclock higher thanks to the Samsung 0.83NS RAM. (Reference G92 cards have Qimonda 1.2NS RAM)
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I want to get the gainward card... Do they have them on newegg?
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They overclock like beasts easyyy!!

Stock 8800GTS are 650mhz standard right , the one that I bought was the pre-overclocked model witch was 700mhz , running about 50-70c in games
AND then i could further overclock it to 800Mhz and still get 50-70c with the same fan speed.

I think my GTS would give a 9800gtx a run for its money.
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im saying games take your life away
so you just put out another blunt in time to tell him to stop playing video games because they take your life away?..LOL am i the only one to see any irony in that?
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Old 04-14-2008, 04:43 AM   #18
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[QUOTE=worshipme;783396]I don't really understand what you are trying to say but new drivers especially from AMD will improve multi-GPU scaling. Stay away from this place when you can't even construct your sentences properly.

http://www.blurtit.com/q944169.html


o btw i can construct my sentences good but 1 i type fast 2 i so lazy to go back and check my post sometimes to rewrite it but its still readable lol.


And you say your doing all this and that but still you buying a top end graphics card? it shows me that your into gaming more then anything,. im only saying.

and im an accountant woopie do, no need to show your grades of.
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I can't understand what you are trying to say.
I'm telling him not to buy a top end graphics card. I recommended the 8800GTS 512MB or 1GB if he's playing at high resolutions.
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I am going ot be picking up 2 9800GX2's in the next couple weeks, ill post back with my results.
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