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Old 08-05-2005, 08:48 PM   #11
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If you buy a retail MOBO they will fully explain how to install everything most of the time. And we have very helpful members. Also afew of the big names use MSN and such services. If you have a second computer that you have you can keep that running for troubleing shotting. I assure you buying a dell will be a mistake. IF you don't want to build your own go with a qaulity company that doesn't use "Machines" to build there computers and use human labor. Machines are meant to do the job simpley and fast. Poeple don't they do the machine right. So if you really are dead set on getting a PC prebuilt get somthing from a good site like www.ibuypower.com. They got good deals.
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Old 08-05-2005, 08:53 PM   #12
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buy parts off ebay if you have to... i buy ALL of my parts off of ebay and newegg... generally in the end when you build your pc you gain knowledge and you also get the better quality parts. Prebuilt pc's usually are built with a capitalist motive in mind.

I recently got a KMV Switch for 5 bucks with shipping off ebay, and a server with a 500 mhz proc, 512 pc133 ram, 8 gb HDD with windows 2003 server for 18 bucks with shipping... and I'm SERIOUS.
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Old 08-05-2005, 10:07 PM   #13
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Alright. I have some parts that I'm looking at. Please remember that this is my first built PC and that I am NOT looking for some crazy gaming computer. Just one to experiment with parts, run the internet, check email, and be reliable for file storage etc... Remember, I come from a PC with 500MHZ PIII processor, 8MB Vid card, and 8.2GB HD :P

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813185010

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811153031

Floppy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16821103203

Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145082

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161636

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819104159

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814145067

I have a CD drive already so I won't need that. Could you let me know if all of these parts are compatible with eachother (my main concerns are mobo/processor/vid card as i know these aren't always compatible.) And then also, is there anything else I need to buy or does that cover about everything (like are fans/cooling devices included? and if not, is it essential that i buy them?)

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Old 08-05-2005, 10:21 PM   #14
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I know that this thread is about helping 07mackenzie understand the benefits of building his own PC, but you guys need to give Dell a break. Of course their PC's are cheaply made, what do you expect for $300!!!!! Of course it's going to be slow...it's a Celeron!!!!...with 256mb RAM running Windows XP....with on-board graphics!!! I've got several friends that have Dell's upper end machines and they're great! I've got a couple of friends that have Dell laptops. Their upper end one's are great also!

I guess I'm just saying don't bash Dell because of their crappy $300 PC...you get what you pay for with retailers.

Now, about this thread. I'm all for building my own PC. I'm with Wiredchild..I like knowing exactly what's in my PC. No retailer will ever be able to customize a PC to the exact specifics of what you would like to have.

I've also found that building a low-end budget PC may not be cheaper than retailers, but a high-end PC can come out cheaper with some searching.
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Old 08-06-2005, 12:34 AM   #15
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Someone I know has a Dell XPS (not sure what gen it is) and that thing is awesome. Not to mention that dell has all kinds of coupon codes, discounts, etc. and the person with the XPS gets a big discount because of his job. The only problem is that he formatted it and doesn't know how to set up raid again (it says to insert a floppy with raid drivers or something like that, but he doesn't have one).
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:16 AM   #16
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Ok, I may not be totally up on the whole price range thing here, but when i read the first post here by 07mackenzie i was shocked....do you really call 230 dollars EXPENSIVE for a computer? I mean c'mon, For Cryin out loud, THAT"S CHEAP! yes it's gonna be a POS, NO it's not gonna do everything you want it to do, but JESUS! 230? THAT'S FREAKING AMAZING? WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING? someone please tell me if i've been living under a rock but i've never seen a full system for under 400 dollar!?
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Old 08-06-2005, 01:41 AM   #17
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Most people build PCs because they want the PC to be hardware capable of what they want to do--custom made without the high price. For example gaming: look at all the vendors that make high performance gaming PCs. How much do they charge? On average of $3000 +. If you build it yourself, you can shave half of the total price retail.

I have to admit that the PCs on ebay are very cheap which is perfect for a person that does basic things with it like surfing the net, typing in word processor, playing solitair or pac man, using simple programs but that's about it. Most mid to high end games require more power for what that PC from ebay has to offer. A lot of popular software takes advantage of mid to high end PCs for best results.

It all boils down to the old saying, "You get what you pay". You buy cheap, you'll end up regretting it when all of a sudden you want to use Photoshop, or you really want to play Doom 3. Then you decide to multitask more, and windows start to freeze regularly. You're playing a game and you're wondering, "why is the graphics so choppy?"

ANyways, I hear recently that Dell has the worst customer support. If you can build your own, you are you're own tech support so who needs them?
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seriously guys.

manufacturers like dell always have these problems.

shitty onboard graphics. (some even have the cheek to not include an agp slot so u cant even upgrade.)

stuff all ram that is as slow as they can buy.

crappy case with practically no airflow.

everything that they put in their computers is as cheap as possible and is prone to failure.

and then they put the chunkiest cpu into it cuz people think that the only thing that governs a p.c's performance is the speed of the processor.

if it wasnt for these problems then i might contemplate buying a computer from dell or any other. but the way it is at the moment i would rather drill a hole in my head than buy a computer from these bullshit artists
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Personally, i think buying a dell would be about as much fun as shooting myself in the face.
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Thanks for all the responses! I have decided to build my own, so if I could just get some thoughts on the following parts...

PS: Please make sure that the parts are compatible for me I have double checked everything but as I am new to this, I assume I made some mistakes. One of my other concerns (not listed below), is whether my SATA II drive will be supported by the mobo?

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Originally Posted by 07mackenzie
Alright. I have some parts that I'm looking at. Please remember that this is my first built PC and that I am NOT looking for some crazy gaming computer. Just one to experiment with parts, run the internet, check email, and be reliable for file storage etc... Remember, I come from a PC with 500MHZ PIII processor, 8MB Vid card, and 8.2GB HD :P

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813185010

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811153031

Floppy:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16821103203

Hard Drive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822145082

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820161636

Processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819104159

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814145067

I have a CD drive already so I won't need that. Could you let me know if all of these parts are compatible with eachother (my main concerns are mobo/processor/vid card as i know these aren't always compatible.) And then also, is there anything else I need to buy or does that cover about everything (like are fans/cooling devices included? and if not, is it essential that i buy them?)

Thanks!
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