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Old 07-21-2017, 08:12 PM   #1
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So im working on my 1st solo build
So far i have the case its a apevia sniper
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EF9QEZC..._HVApLfENONoxQ

Now im looking at a mother board and more im thinking thr msi b150
I want to get a 1050ti grafic card was thinking matching msi one
Ram is kinston 2133
And going with last years i7 whats your thoughts tring to keep budgets down some is why ibwas thinking last years mother board and cpu

Heres the mother board
MSI Gaming Intel Skylake B150 LGA 1151 DDR4 USB 3.1 ATX Motherboard (B150 Gaming M3) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014YN6732..._vDPCzbFPAZDHZ

MSI Computer Video Graphic Cards GeForce GTX 1050 TI GAMING X 4G https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MA62JSZ..._-DPCzb83QC6N3

HyperX FURY Black 16GB Kit (2x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory (HX421C14FBK2/16) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TY6A1LY..._DEPCzb691AY1R

So tell me am i issing something os there better for approx same price is there more on the mother board i should be looking for thanks dor your help
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Not sure about the prices for you (I kinda live in a different planet) but for gaming even 3rd gen. Core i5's and their attachments handle games well enough.

I'm on an stock i5 3570k and a GTX 680 4GB OC, and Dark Souls 3 plays just fine at 1080p max except for anti-aliasing and motion blur off. I finished the game. It plays even better than PS4 Pro on that +5 year old system. The point it that you have many budget options to choose between CPU's.

So if you can find a 4th gen. Core i7 (if you want an i7, tho i5 is enough for games) in good price then go for it (that's i7 4xxx). Since the CPU is the most expensive part you're looking at, look for it first then decide on the motherboard and the RAM since they are CPU dependent.

As for the GTX 1050Ti you're looking at, if you wanna have the cheapest option, make sure it is at stock that does not require extra power from the PSU. You can confirm that if there is no power socket on it. Also make sure it is 4GB not 2GB. Just make sure the PSU is good to run the system.

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I'd go for a Ryzen CPU, probably a Ryzen 5 1600, and divert any money you save towards going one level up on the GPU.

Intel stuff stays expensive for ages, I mean Sandy bridge CPUs are still a hundred bones on ebay and they're 6 years old. Ryzen 5 trades blows with the i5 and even the i7 in gaming tasks, unless you're getting a really huge GPU like a 1080Ti you don't need more than a Ryzen 5/i5 as you're never going to bottleneck a 1050 or 1060.
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If AMD is an option, Ryzen sounds like a good choice too. I agree. Just make sure you look at the prices and practicality of the supporting motherboards since it is kinda new. Price difference in motherboard could be the difference maker for budget builds.
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At launch, Ryzen had problems with memory compatibility and overclocking. Most manufacturers have released a bundle of BIOS updates and microcode hotfixes since launch - they've also got a lot more 'Ryzen compliant' memory now.

some thing's I'll say about Ryzen:-

1. Make sure you update the BIOS on whatever board you're using before you try and use it, to the latest version the manufacturer provides. This is best practice anyway, regardless of intel or AMD.
2. Faster memory scales much more noticibly with Ryzen than Intel, the difference in performance between 2133MHz and 2400MHz RAM is really obvious when gaming (5-10FPS in some cases) as Ryzen uses the RAM speed as the clock for the Infinity Fabric that connects internal parts of the CPU together. Essentially, the faster the RAM the faster your CPU, right the way up to 3200MHz. However, Many Ryzen CPUs won't run memory higher than 2400MHz as this is the maximum guaranteed memory speed supproted by the CPU, anything higher is an overclock.
3. Don't bother buying an Aftermarket cooler if you buy a non-X CPU, all AMD Ryzen CPUs regardless of SKU are unlocked for overclocking, but most Ryzen CPUs come with a pretty decent stock cooler (Wraith Stealth/Spire).
4. You can save some money if you don't plan to overclock by going with an A series motherboard, rather than a B or X series. However, think about this carefully as the A series have limited SATA ports and don't support crossfire or SLI.
5. Don't buy any Ryzen CPU with an 'X' in the name. They are just slight clock speed boosts to non-X CPUs and carry a pointless price premium. ALL CPUs on Ryzen, X or no X, are unlocked so you really get no value from buying an X series chip. I think that's just a marketing ploy by AMD to trick people who usually buy Intel into buying the X series thinking that's the overclocking model!
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If those solve all compatibility/practicality issues, then I guess the motherboard prices are the remaining matter. It is up to the OP'er to find out about that. I'm no good with prices.
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Prices are more or less in the order of:-

A320 (Lowest end AM4 Chipset) - $50-£80
B350 (Mid Range) - $60-£130
X370 (High End) - $80-£280

(Lifted from Newegg US)

Main differences are:-
A series: Does not support overclocking, limited SATA and USB ports.
B Series: supports overclocking, but not SLI or Crossfire - more SATA/USB.
X Series: enthusiast class, supports OC and SLI/Crossfire. Lots of SATA/USB.

all three series of boards feature things like m.2 at some price points and have varying numbers of PCI Express connectors and expansion. Low end X370 boards have about the same level of I/O as a high end A series, but no Xfire or OC.
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Prices are more or less in the order of:-

A320 (Lowest end AM4 Chipset) - $50-£80
B350 (Mid Range) - $60-£130
X370 (High End) - $80-£280

(Lifted from Newegg US)

Main differences are:-
A series: Does not support overclocking, limited SATA and USB ports.
B Series: supports overclocking, but not SLI or Crossfire - more SATA/USB.
X Series: enthusiast class, supports OC and SLI/Crossfire. Lots of SATA/USB.

all three series of boards feature things like m.2 at some price points and have varying numbers of PCI Express connectors and expansion. Low end X370 boards have about the same level of I/O as a high end A series, but no Xfire or OC.
The B350s do support Crossfire, they don't support dual x8 lanes though.

If you are using Crossfire on a B350 you'll get 16 lanes for the first card and only 4 for the second one, which will cause some bottlenecking on the second, and no improvement on the first card.
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The B350s do support Crossfire, they don't support dual x8 lanes though.

If you are using Crossfire on a B350 you'll get 16 lanes for the first card and only 4 for the second one, which will cause some bottlenecking on the second, and no improvement on the first card.
I'll adjust my wording there, it does support Dual GPUs... it's just really pointless and not recommended :P
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Op here
Im thinking im going to stay intel sence i know them better and i love nvidia cards but i have no clue on mother board and need help there and for one that fits the case i just got thanks
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I'll adjust my wording there, it does support Dual GPUs... it's just really pointless and not recommended :P
Yeah I don't think it's a very good idea.

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Im thinking im going to stay intel sence i know them better and i love nvidia cards but i have no clue on mother board and need help there and for one that fits the case i just got thanks
You should provide the following so we can help you better:
  1. Budget
  2. Preferred manufacturers
  3. Location and preferred stores or websites
  4. A list of what you already own, if you own something
  5. Extra information you decide it could be helpful

It's best if you keep it organized and clean so we can read it with more ease.
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Any overclocking intended, are you looking for budget builds,and are you looking for new parts only?
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Yeah I don't think it's a very good idea.



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I only have the case as i said in the op.
Budget is gping to be over time so dont have one im figure by the time its done to have spent about $1200 us. Right now i have just been using Amazon but any site works.
I have just started doing some video and photo editing so it nerd to work for that and im building this to play a game that wont be out for about a year.. pantheon rise of the fallen. Currently i just have an i5 laptop a about 4 years old.

Lol i not had a full desktop computer for about 12 years. Im not Against amd i just have even less clue about them so that makes me nervous. Funny is i have been big in the moble tech so i lnow crap loads on it i kinda feel lost going back to pc. My last pc was top of the line for everquest lol. Thanks guys
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I only have the case as i said in the op.
Budget is gping to be over time so dont have one im figure by the time its done to have spent about $1200 us. Right now i have just been using Amazon but any site works.
I have just started doing some video and photo editing so it nerd to work for that and im building this to play a game that wont be out for about a year.. pantheon rise of the fallen. Currently i just have an i5 laptop a about 4 years old.

Lol i not had a full desktop computer for about 12 years. Im not Against amd i just have even less clue about them so that makes me nervous. Funny is i have been big in the moble tech so i lnow crap loads on it i kinda feel lost going back to pc. My last pc was top of the line for everquest lol. Thanks guys
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qfNtf8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qfNtf8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($187.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *ASRock - H270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($136.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB D5 6G Video Card ($279.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia - X-SNIPER2-GN ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $963.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-27 23:14 EDT-0400


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This is not the best for video editing. If you are editing, I definitely recommend you go Ryzen. Intel is too expensive for editing PCs right now. If you are serious about editing, you should change that I5 for an I7, like a 7700. 7700K if you want to overclock, and remember to get a Z270 board if you do.

---------- Post added at 12:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:15 AM ----------

By the way, you didn't check my post, right?

Build Guide

There is a $1200 editing rig at the bottom.

Or gaming rigs.

Pick a build, any build!
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PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qfNtf8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qfNtf8/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($187.69 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: *ASRock - H270 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($136.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.75 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB D5 6G Video Card ($279.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Apevia - X-SNIPER2-GN ATX Mid Tower Case ($53.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $963.15
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-07-27 23:14 EDT-0400


Thoughts?

This is not the best for video editing. If you are editing, I definitely recommend you go Ryzen. Intel is too expensive for editing PCs right now. If you are serious about editing, you should change that I5 for an I7, like a 7700. 7700K if you want to overclock, and remember to get a Z270 board if you do.

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By the way, you didn't check my post, right?

Build Guide

There is a $1200 editing rig at the bottom.

Or gaming rigs.

Pick a build, any build!
I did but was not sure if that would fit my case and im thinking of the skylake i7 just becuse the mother boards are cheeper. Just dont know if the one i have posted is any good if i knew i could with out a problem is an amd and navidia card ibmite go that way but i would want the best one i could just so i dont have to worries on running new stuff

---------- Post added at 06:31 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:29 AM ----------

So what i hooe is maybe you guys can point out what is on mother boards what to look for whats all the random stuff they say in amozon comparison list
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I did but was not sure if that would fit my case and im thinking of the skylake i7 just becuse the mother boards are cheeper. Just dont know if the one i have posted is any good if i knew i could with out a problem is an amd and navidia card ibmite go that way but i would want the best one i could just so i dont have to worries on running new stuff

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So what i hooe is maybe you guys can point out what is on mother boards what to look for whats all the random stuff they say in amozon comparison list
Guide: How to choose your PC components

It mostly depends on the drives you want to use, if you want to use Crossfire or SLI, if you want to overclock and how much, and if you would like to choose a brand over another. Other than that, there is not much to decide. As long as everything fits, you are going to be all right. If you already know the components you want, we can help you choose it.

Your case is an ATX mid tower, so most ATX boards will fit, and pretty much anything else. Unless you want a really long graphics card or a rare EATX board, you'll be fine.

I recommend you research the chipset models and find out what's best for you. Usually, if you won't overclock, considering you go Skylake, you get a H110, if you want to overclock, a Z270. If the overclock is not huge, then a mid-range board+cooler will do. Otherwise you may want to spend a little more on those two things.

About the graphics card, the 1060 6Gb is still a very good option. You can also get the RX 580. They are pretty similar, except the 580 has Crossfire and more VRAM. You should decide this yourself. There seem to be some comparisons out there. Should make it easier.

https://www.techspot.com/amp/review/...060/page2.html

http://www.trustedreviews.com/review...ormance-page-2
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