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Old 07-16-2010, 03:58 PM   #1
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Default A few questions before I build my own?

I have been toying around with the idea of building a computer soon and so I have been looking at different parts and brands and now I am trying to clear up a few things.

1. What is the difference between USB 2.0 and USB 3.0? and what is FireWire and how does it fit in with USB?

2. Which brands are better? Is Western Digital better than Seagate for example with Harddrives? I think the most demanding things my comuter would be required to do would be games, so which harddrive is better for that?

3. The ATI cards I was looking at support eye-finity for multiple monitors, does nVidia offer anything like that?

4. What is the difference in the PCI express slots on a motherboard? PCIe 1x, PCIe 16x?

5. how big should the case be so that I would not have trouble fitting even large graphics cards in it?

I really do appreciate any help that can be offered, thank you so much!
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:48 PM   #2
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1.USB 3 is faster then USB 2
2.Does not matter but western digital caviar blacks are supa fast
3.yes but you have to have 2 bummer. ATI is better right now
4.i think it has something to do with the graphic card i forgot
5. full tower

Buts your building price range
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1. USB 3.0 is a huge ton faster than USB 2.0, realistically you will only see a difference if using an external harddrive
2. seagate hardrives had quality issues before the .12 series, WD blacks are really fast but I'd recommend buying them locally with a warranty(I've had 1 fail on me and another one may be dying and paying shipping is not fun)
3. nvidia does have an equivalent to eyefinity but you have to have 2 cards, I'd get 2x GTX 460s. When in SLI then they're nearly as fast as a 5970.
4. PCIE x16 is the slot that modern graphics cards use. Sound cards and tuners and stuff like that use the x1 slot
5. A full tower case is capable of fitting pretty much everything. I'd go for a HAF X, Silverstone RV02 or Cosmos S (the cases that I wish I'd gotten)
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1. USB 3.0 is a huge ton faster than USB 2.0, realistically you will only see a difference if using an external harddrive
2. seagate hardrives had quality issues before the .12 series, WD blacks are really fast but I'd recommend buying them locally with a warranty(I've had 1 fail on me and another one may be dying and paying shipping is not fun)
3. nvidia does have an equivalent to eyefinity but you have to have 2 cards, I'd get 2x GTX 460s. When in SLI then they're nearly as fast as a 5970.
4. PCIE x16 is the slot that modern graphics cards use. Sound cards and tuners and stuff like that use the x1 slot
5. A full tower case is capable of fitting pretty much everything. I'd go for a HAF X, Silverstone RV02 or Cosmos S (the cases that I wish I'd gotten)
ati is better
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ati is better
Neither are better, their products both have advantages, as with most other companies.
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ati is better
have you read anything about the gtx 460? Its based on the GF104 chipset so it consumes less power than the 5850 while performing nearly equally to it for $100 less. 2 of them perform pretty much equally to a 5970 for $460, which is $200-$300 less than the 5970. You also get physx for that price. I personally like nvidia's implementation of eyefinity because you anyways need 2 cards to get playable framerates when using 3 monitors so they ensure that you get a good experience from it.

Nvidia may be late to the dx11 party but so far I'm liking their way of doing it. ATi cant make drivers at all, I'm still on 10.4a because anything else messes up crossfire
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High end cards = fail did you see a 98 degrees card lol
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High end cards = fail did you see a 98 degrees card lol
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have you read anything about the gtx 460? Its based on the GF104 chipset so it consumes less power than the 5850 while performing nearly equally to it for $100 less. 2 of them perform pretty much equally to a 5970 for $460, which is $200-$300 less than the 5970. You also get physx for that price. I personally like nvidia's implementation of eyefinity because you anyways need 2 cards to get playable framerates when using 3 monitors so they ensure that you get a good experience from it.

Nvidia may be late to the dx11 party but so far I'm liking their way of doing it. ATi cant make drivers at all, I'm still on 10.4a because anything else messes up crossfire
The other Nvidia cards were trash in my opinion though. But the GTX460 does look nice. I don't like how you need an Nvidia chipset to SLI though, and Nvidias version of eyefinity stinks. What if you don't plan on gaming with your cards?
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High end cards = fail did you see a 98 degrees card lol
that was the pre-production cards that were sent out to reviewers. Right now they're a ton cooler although still need quite a bit of power, at least I won't have micro-stuttering after I upgrade from my ATi cards
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that was the pre-production cards that were sent out to reviewers. Right now they're a ton cooler although still need quite a bit of power, at least I won't have micro-stuttering after I upgrade from my ATi cards
I still think they're way too hot for their own good, and their pricing isn't competitive with ATi's. The GTX460 seems to be an exception however.
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I still think they're way too hot for their own good, and their pricing isn't competitive with ATi's. The GTX460 seems to be an exception however.
I can get a new eVGA GTX 470 for just barely under $300 in Canada, a GTX 470 is about equal to a 5870. A new 5870 is currently running at $425. I'd consider the nvidia to be the better bang for my buck.

Also they aren't running as hot anymore as I said before, I was talking to a guy over at OCN while considering my upgrades. He'd recently upgraded from 2x 5770s to a gtx 470 and heres what he had to say about heat and the noise of the fan:

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I keep my fan at 75% it sounds the same as my 5770s at 50%, Idle 38C Just Cause 2 gets my card to 65C, Crysis gets it to 72C. Supersonic Sled gets it to 75C, when I run Kombuster I put all my case fans on high and it maxes at 78C.
When I had a single 5770 in my system it ran at 69C at 100% fan speed (which sounds like a jet taking off).

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I don't like how you need an Nvidia chipset to SLI though
All P55 and X58 boards support both crossfirex and SLI and AMD has no reasoning to support their competitiors cards on their own chipset which is why its not on there.
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I can get a new eVGA GTX 470 for just barely under $300 in Canada, a GTX 470 is about equal to a 5870. A new 5870 is currently running at $425. I'd consider the nvidia to be the better bang for my buck.


Yeah, CAD. There's around a $50 difference here. Also, you can get a 5850 for ~$300 and easily flash it to a 5870 bios and get within 5% of the performance of a 5870. Now, you would also have to overclock the GTX470 for it to be a fair comparison, but I doubt it'll see that kind of return.


Also they aren't running as hot anymore as I said before, I was talking to a guy over at OCN while considering my upgrades. He'd recently upgraded from 2x 5770s to a gtx 470 and heres what he had to say about heat and the noise of the fan:



When I had a single 5770 in my system it ran at 69C at 100% fan speed (which sounds like a jet taking off).

I have a 5770, and mine doesn't get that hot or run at that fan speed. I have a standard cooler as well. I have no clue what card he bought, but it certainly wasn't a standard one.

All P55 and X58 boards support both crossfirex and SLI and AMD has no reasoning to support their competitiors cards on their own chipset which is why its not on there.


What about LGA775 boards? The only reason you can't SLI on those is because Nvidia locked the drivers, there's no hardware reason at all.

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Those were regular prices too, yesterday I saw a 480 at $355 on overstock.com and a 470 at $235. I have yet to see a 5850 or 5870 go anywhere near that

the 5770 was mine, I can post up screenshots when I get home (in a week). Its the first gen sapphire.

Does anyone buy LGA775 systems anymore?
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Pshhhh, I buy LGA775 systems! lol.
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