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Old 02-13-2011, 04:24 AM   #1
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Default Continually having to repair the MBR ("no boot device available") Dell Dimension 8400

Well, another "wonderful" Dell in the shop.

This POS is just toying with me right now.

Now, here's what it's doing. I boot it up and it immediately gives two beeps and says "No boot device available". (this all happened after the owner reported that he was getting no internet, in which we didn't know the cause...he tried removing norton files thinking it may have been that...and then got that message.)

So, I figured, well, the MBR's crapped. So I pop in the XP disc to do a repair. It says there's no HDD installed. HA! (this is a SATA drive BTW).

Next thing I figure is, the owner probably REALLY f'd something up. So I decided to format it in PartedMagic and see where it went. Went fine...PM found it instantly and I formatted it. But, I wanted to isolate the issue to make sure the HDD wasn't going out. I ran full short and extended tests with the WD utility on UBCD. No errors. None.

So I reinstall XP thinking we're good to go. Get it up and going. At the desktop. Start installing drivers. Restart. Good. Install some more. Good. Restart. Boom. Same message pops up, no boot device available. So, now I'm pissed. Because I don't understand why. The hard drive has tested out to be fine. So I pop in the XP disc. And this time it let's me repair the MBR. Boots right up. I figure, 'eh, bad driver?'. So I continue install routine things...Win. Updates and such. Then I install Avast and it prompts for the restart. Boom. Same message.

WTF is going on here? Just another Dell POS on my hands? I'm thoroughly confused. If I have time, I'll try an PATA drive tomorrow and see if I get different results. But my bet is on the mobo going kaput. But I don't get why that would affect the MBR/drive. BAHHHHH.

Any advice?
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Default Re: Continually having to repair the MBR ("no boot device available") Dell Dimension

My missus' pc was doing that exact same thing last week. Then a couple days later her PSU died. Hasn't done it since i replaced the power supply.
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Dells are wonderful arent they?

if you try the PATA drive and it works, the mobo might be going or the drive had reached the end of its life.
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Well can you plug the hard drive in a different SATA controller port? Don't they run individually? And yeah Dells are a POS!!

But if that's all they got, then that's all they got and we'll have to figure out to make it work!
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I have just confirmed that it is not the PSU.

Swapped it on the desk and still having the same issue. It was giving the message, I swapped the PSUs, still gave message, fixed MBR, booted up to XP, restarted, gave message again. It's almost ALWAYS after a restart. It always fixes the MBR and works the first time. I dunno. I've still got an inkling that it's the hard drive. That's the next swap. If that still doesn't fix the issue, it's gotta be the mobo. If it DOES fix the issue it's either the mobo SATA channels or the HDD.

EDIT: I've got a feeling the MB is going. I've tried a PATA drive in multiple configurations, with multiple cable setups and it's still giving me no boot device installed. Bummer for my customer. I just put 2GB of DDR in this thing about 6 months ago.

2nd EDIT: Now I'm getting to be annoyed. So, I'm swapping things back to get it how it was originally for return back to my customer. Thing has started fine on the last two reboots. WTF. It's gotta be a flaky MB. Ha. Third reboot--it's now giving the message again.

3rd EDIT: Okay. So now I'm THOROUGLY confused. With the XP install disc in, it's doesn't give me that message. It asks if I'd like to start windows normally (ya know, that gobbly gook), if I press enter, it just loops/restarts. However, without a disc in the drive, it gives the message. With the CD drive unplugged it gives the message. I think the data channels on this board are just fubar. I didn't notice a bulging cap, so that may be the root of the issue. I swear, every Dell I've dealt with has had at least one bulging cap.
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Have you tried a memtest?
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Have you tried a memtest?
I have not. The RAM that's in it is 6 months old. Doesn't mean it's bad, but I don't get why that would be giving a no boot device error. I will run a scan next weekend (back at college now) just to make sure, but I doubt that's the issue. If it IS, I'm going to blame that bulging cap--mainly because it'll be the third Dell (same model, too) with a bulging cap and bad RAM. Coincidence? Maybe, but doubtful.
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Did you replace the SATA cable and SATA power cable.
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Did you replace the SATA cable and SATA power cable.
I've tried a different PSU, different SATA cables, and an IDE drive.
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Is the boot device priority in the BIOS changing after every reboot or was the CMOS battery already ruled out? Its kind of weird that you are getting the same problem with both IDE and SATA HDD's.

Flash the BIOS?
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It didn't look to me as the boot device was changing at all. I've set it differently numerous times and it has been fine. I'll think about flashing the BIOS. That's if I can even find an update and pull it off. Such a pain to do. Doubt it's going to do anything.
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I too have have the "no boot device availble" message on my 8400.
My workaround was to open up my Dell, Unplug my DVD ROM and RW drives, Re-plug the top of my ribbon cable into the second drive(my DVD RW), and move the plug coming from my hard drive to the mother board to the spot labled with the number 2.

When I closed my case back up and restarted it, it let me boot from the DVD RW drive. I then choose my hard drive and attempted to erase everything from it. When I checked my SATA hard drive, I notice that there was still something hiding on it. I clicked on the UP arrow and discovered a RED FOLDER labled with WEIRD NUMBERS that did not go away, and it wouldn't let me delete it either (that selection in my menue was GREYED OUT).

I attempted to UNMOUNT IT several times so I could finsh the erasure of my SATA hard drive. On the last attempt, it let me. But not before putting something that I suspect I probably don't want (the reason for the format in the first place) someware else (my screen turned dark grey and I got some message saying that my hard drive was busy).

After that, I was able to unmount and completely format my hard drive. Suspecting that something was wrong with my hard drive anyway, I installed UBUNTU linux on it so I could still work with it untill I could REALLY fix it.

I opened up my machine again, pluged everything back to where I got it from and it started the same "JACKED UP" way. But at least with UBUNTU on it, I can download VirtualBox, install "Windows" (which might not "officially" run ("cough" "hint") there either because its on the same"JACKED UP" hard drive))
inside of it, and install my apps from there.

Long story short. I think most if not all of us that are suffering from this "boot device not availble" error may have been infected by a "BOOT KIT VIRUS or WORM"!

If you notice, it won't let you do anything that could result in you getting it OUT of your system. It appears to "run and hide" or "clone itself" to somewhere else if you find it. It changes your motherboard settings so that you can't do a "clean install" or run a Virus removing program.

What's worse, it appears to infect the motherboard too, so that if you do get it off your hard drive or buy and install a new hard drive, it will just put itself back onto the victim hard drive later on from somewhere else on your motherboard!

You get it? It seems to go from one place to another so you can NEVER get rid of it (kinda like holding a hot potato in one hand and repeatedly switching hands)! This "thing" is having a "symbiotic" connection with your system (Motherboard and Harddrive)!

The only solution I see is to find a way to "wipe" this mess out of your mother board, perhaps with an app that can run "live" from your CD or DVD drive (see how I did it), then run a "live OS CD/DVD" AND erase your hard drive so you can get a fresh start.

OR you can just buy a brand new motherboard AND hard drive, put them both in at the same time and "call it a day".
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