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Old 10-30-2007, 06:29 PM   #1
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Hi guys. I need some some of your expert help in buying a new PC. I currently have a pentium D 2.6ghz 1gb ram, nvidia 6200... pc which to be brutally honest is absolutely shite. My budget is about 600, and I need something that can play the new directx10 games, surf the net, store my music, games and dvds, multi task, and be reasonably future proof. I don't need any software or antivirus crap with it just the base unit and an OS. Any recommendations?
I've already done some research and this is all I've come up with so far:

Intel core 2 duo e6750
2048mb 800mhz ram
windows vista home premium (64bit)
400gb SATA 2.0 hard drive
With the video card do you think I should get the 8800gt or will the 8800gts 320mb be sufficiant (8800gts owners, I would like to hear from you, what's the card like?)
onboard7.1 sound
Also will a 400W PSU be good enough.
By the way this is online (DinoPC) where you can build your custom desktop.
And the final price is 610. Sorry Americans if that means nothing to you.
Good buy? right components?
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Welcome to the forum

What m/board did you have in mind?

At present the 8800GT is the best value for money.

400W psu would be borderline, if you can afford it I'd recommend a better one.
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get the 8800GT, much better deal. i have the 320mb version of the GTS and i was impressed while running at lower resolutions (1280x1024).

as for the PSU, get at least a 500 watt psu, with 28+ amps on the 12v rail.


also most americans on here that are regular can convert pounds to dollars just double it.
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If it's not too much trouble having a look at this website and building the best PC you can for 600, there are 2 motherboard choices and I'd like a bit of space to add some memory at a later date. Here is the link:http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/config...?idproduct=139

Also, I really understand nothing about motherboards is this a good one for my pc in my first post and does it support 800mhz memory?
Here are it's specs:

Asrock CONROE1333-1394
Support latest Intel Core 2 Duo 1333Mhz FSB processors as well as Quad Core models. Supports 4x Dual-channel DDR2 667 memory architecture. High-quality 8-channel audio brings a more vivid sound experience.

Chipset Intel 945GC A2 + ICH7
CPU Interface Socket 775
Front Side Bus 533MHz
800MHz
1066MHz
1333MHz (will operate in overclocking mode)
RAM Technology Dual-channel DDR2
RAM Slots 4 x 240-pin
RAM Speeds 667/533Mhz
Max. Memory Support 4GB
Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16 slot
1 x PCI Express x1 slot
2 x PCI slots
Storage Controller(s) 1 x P-ATA100
4 x S-ATA300
On-Board LAN 10/100/1000
Realtek RTL8111B / RTL8111C
On-Board Audio Realtek ALC888 8-Channel audio CODEC
On-Board Video None
Back Panel I/O Ports 1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x Parallel
1 x COM
4 x USB2.0
1 x IEEE1394
1 x LAN
6 x Audio
Features Hybrid Booster - Safe Overclocking Technology
Untied Overclocking
Windows Vista Premium 2007 Logo Ready
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If it's not too much trouble having a look at this website and building the best PC you can for 600, there are 2 motherboard choices and I'd like a bit of space to add some memory at a later date. Here is the link:http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/config...?idproduct=139

Also, I really understand nothing about motherboards is this a good one for my pc in my first post and does it support 800mhz memory?
Here are it's specs:

Asrock CONROE1333-1394
Support latest Intel Core 2 Duo 1333Mhz FSB processors as well as Quad Core models. Supports 4x Dual-channel DDR2 667 memory architecture. High-quality 8-channel audio brings a more vivid sound experience.

Chipset Intel 945GC A2 + ICH7
CPU Interface Socket 775
Front Side Bus 533MHz
800MHz
1066MHz
1333MHz (will operate in overclocking mode)
RAM Technology Dual-channel DDR2
RAM Slots 4 x 240-pin
RAM Speeds 667/533Mhz
Max. Memory Support 4GB
Expansion Slots 1 x PCI Express x16 slot
1 x PCI Express x1 slot
2 x PCI slots
Storage Controller(s) 1 x P-ATA100
4 x S-ATA300
On-Board LAN 10/100/1000
Realtek RTL8111B / RTL8111C
On-Board Audio Realtek ALC888 8-Channel audio CODEC
On-Board Video None
Back Panel I/O Ports 1 x PS/2 Keyboard
1 x PS/2 Mouse
1 x Parallel
1 x COM
4 x USB2.0
1 x IEEE1394
1 x LAN
6 x Audio
Features Hybrid Booster - Safe Overclocking Technology
Untied Overclocking
Windows Vista Premium 2007 Logo Ready
Just had a look at the website, and on somethings it doen't give you much choice, you'd be better off going on other websites such as: ebuyer.com / overclockers.co.uk /scan.co.uk / microdirect.co.uk as those website have more choice and will probably be cheaper.

I'd recommend something like this:
Processor: Intel Core 2 Qaud (good for multitasking, future proofing etc)

Processor Cooling Fan: Thermalright Ultra-120 Socket 775 Processor heatsink

Motherboard: Asus P5K Motherboard

Power Supply: Corsair HX Series 620W Modular PSU ATX12V v2.2 APFC (Way more power then you'll need but it will give you some extra headroom if you decide to overclock and upgrade in the future).

Memory: Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 800MHz PC2 6400 XMS2 Memory Non ECC Unbuffered CL4(4 4 4 12) E.P.P. Heat Spreader Lifetime Warranty

Hard Drive: Samsung SpinPoint HD501LJ 500GB SATAII Hard Drive 16MB Cache OEM Samsoung drives are nice and quiet and more importantly fast, they sometimes even load games faster then the raptors!

Graphics Card: EVGA 8800GT 512MB GDDR3 Dual DVI HDTVOut PCI E Graphics Card (CAN ONLY PREORDER AT THE MOMENT BUT WORTH THE WAIT!)

Case: pick one here aslong as its' ether a Midi Tower or Full Tower it will be fine: http://www.ebuyer.com/store/2/cat/Cases

DVD/CD Rewriter: LG GSA-H55NBRL 20X DVD?RW/DL/RAM Inc Nero Beige & Black Bezels - Retail

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium x32Bit OEM 1PK DVD

Plus add your own keyboard/mouse/monitor

The above is all from Ebuyer couldn't find out the exact price due to the graphics card not on stock yet so couldn't add it the the basket but it will be around 600 plus a little bit more I think, anyways thats just the example if you buy parts from different sites it will work out cheaper.

Anyway hope this gives you an idea what to look for.
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Trouble is I've never built a computer before, are there simple instructions to follow?
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It is quite simple, heres a step by step guide on installing and preparing each componet: http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/pc-building/
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Webhead, your cpu cooler link is broken, what was the cooler? otherwise I pretty much agree with your parts list, I didn't see the total price but if you're going Vista 64bit and the budget is good I'd say 4GB of ram, glad you upped the 667MHz ram to 800MHz, it was one of my recommendations
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Webhead, your cpu cooler link is broken, what was the cooler? otherwise I pretty much agree with your parts list, I didn't see the total price but if you're going Vista 64bit and the budget is good I'd say 4GB of ram, glad you upped the 667MHz ram to 800MHz, it was one of my recommendations
Thanks or telling me that! Fixed the link now this is the cooler: Thermalright Ultra-120 Socket 775 Processor heatsink

EDIT: Just realised I linked to the 64bit version of Vista, i'll replace it now with the 32bit version. <-- FIXED!
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For simple instructions on building a PC, check out this:
http://www.custompc.co.uk/features/6...erfect-pc.html

As for your spec, its sounds good. But why not try what im doing? Buy an Intel E2160 which is a much cheaper proccessor, then overclock it (you should be able to get at least 3ghz out of it with a semi decent mboard). This will be roughly as powerful as the processor you are planning on buying. With the extra money you could get a second graphics card, more ram or whatever.

Just a thought...
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OK, I've looked at those sites and the guides and you're right, it is pretty simple. If I put these components together would anything happen? Also is the memory i've selected dual channel? and what does CL5 CL4 mean? sorry for all the questions.
Here are my components:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131950- CPU. Is it worth getting the energy efficient version of the Q6600? as it is said to be more overclockable, but it comes without the heatsink and fan.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125082 - Motherboard

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126610- Case + PCU 500W. will this be enough?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/98710- Memory

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129527- DVD Drive

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124228- Hard drive

I couldn't find a 64bit OS on ebuyer but I plan on getting Vista Home Premium 64bit as will probably add more memory later on.
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OK, I've looked at those sites and the guides and you're right, it is pretty simple. If I put these components together would anything happen? Also is the memory i've selected dual channel? and what does CL5 CL4 mean? sorry for all the questions.
Here are my components:
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131950- CPU. Is it worth getting the energy efficient version of the Q6600? as it is said to be more overclockable, but it comes without the heatsink and fan.

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125082 - Motherboard

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/126610- Case + PCU 500W. will this be enough?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/98710- Memory

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129527- DVD Drive

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124228- Hard drive

I couldn't find a 64bit OS on ebuyer but I plan on getting Vista Home Premium 64bit as will probably add more memory later on.
Not bad but NEVER Get that Power Supply always get a branded one yes they are expensive then the unbranded ones but they are also safer. Unbranded Power Supply are likely to blow and not produce their rated power that they claim to produce and if it blows as its a cheap one its unlikely to have any protection for your components which means if it goes it will likely take the rest of the componets with it! So always get a branded PSU like: Hiper / Corsair / Antec etc. I'd get atleast 550W or more maybe 600W to insure you won't be limited to have far you can overclock.

You can use that case though if you want, but I prefer full towers, have a look at this case: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/118268

As you are only using 2gb RAM don't get Vista 64th just get 32bit, Vista 32bit is a hell of a lot more stable and has better chance of working with your hardware and software then the 64bit version would. Hard drive is just personal preference really but I prefer the Samsung over the Western Digital. Yes it is worth getting the Core 2 Qaud energy efficent version of the processor as it runs less power to start with and does allow more overcloking potentional.

Two things you have missed A CPU cooler and Graphics Card. For CPU cooler the one in the link I posted about is one of the best and works with that processor (Intel Core 2 Qaud Q66000) a treat. As for the Graphics card get the one I mentioned (when it comes in stock) as its one of the best around right now and beats the 8800GTS.
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I agree, I'm going to get the 8800gt but it's not currently in stock so couldn't add it to the basket. .Will a midi tower still be big enough for everything I need though? and if I got vista 32bit now could I upgrade to 64bit later?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127439 Is this cooler OK or do you still definatly recommend the thermalright one? And finally is the memory I selected earlier dual channel and what is CL4 or CL5?
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I agree, I'm going to get the 8800gt but it's not currently in stock so couldn't add it to the basket. .Will a midi tower still be big enough for everything I need though? and if I got vista 32bit now could I upgrade to 64bit later?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127439 Is this cooler OK or do you still definatly recommend the thermalright one? And finally is the memory I selected earlier dual channel and what is CL4 or CL5?
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I don't know anything about that cooler so cannot comment on it but if yo want to go cheaper get thiis: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105994 It's very well recommened by several people and is a popular choice performs good too and a cheap price.

I don't know much about memory but what you selected looks ok, althoguh the best mmory manufactuors I see recommend these days are Crucial and Gell. Don't know about Gell but with Crucial you can order memory from their website ether get this: http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpar...B23849A5CA7304 or a little more expensive but may be a little better get this: http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpar...6A284FA5CA7304

If you plan to overclock definately get Crucial memory as they overclock very well.

Yes you could get 32bit and upgrade to 64bit later when you have over 2gb memory.
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OK. I'm getting pretty close to the final package I think, so here it is:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131823 - CPU

http:///www.ebuyer.com/product/125082 - M/B

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/124228 - HD

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/123067 - OS. 64bit, sorry Webhead

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/105994 - CPU Cooler

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/121072 - Case, I also bought another 120mm fan to go with it. TBH, I don't see the point in getting a flash case, sure they may be a bit quieter and nicer to the eye but it's only a case and as long as it's big enough for all the hardware and has reasonable ventilation, it's fine for me.

http:///www.ebuyer.com/product/132563 - PCU

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/134393 - Graphics card. Not available at the moment though.



Now the only thing I need now is the right memory for the rest of my components, I think I'll get a 800mhz 2gb set but what latency CL5 or CL4.

Please could some experts waste 5mins of their life checking my list and making sure that once I put it all together it will actually work. Thanks alot.
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links for motherboard and PSU don't work. Everything else looks ok though, if you go with vista 64bit get 4gb RAM as thats one of the main reasons people use Vista 64bit for. Lower latercy RAM I think means it overclocks better but don't quote me on that.

EDIT: Overclockers are better than Ebuyer for RAM cheaper and much more selection of brands, heres one example this is very good memory 4gb expensive but it is 4gb and a very good manufactuor: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=8&subcat=813

EDIT 2: Or you can get two sets of these from the same company see the reviews too: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=8&subcat=813
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any memory experts out there could they help me with the latency thing?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/125082

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127861
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For the motherboard get the P5K it uses the newer P35 chipset and will be more future proof for you, any of these P5K'S should be ok: http://www.ebuyer.com/search/?qfind=p5k but the best ones are the standard P5K or the P5K-E.

Definately get 4GB RAM, you'll be glad you did with Vista 64bit trust me.

EDIT: For the power supply the one you selected isn't bad but if you can afford it I'd still recommend the one I posted earlier http://www.ebuyer.com/product/114941 it's modular too so you can plug the cables in you need and leave the others you don't need out, instead of the regular powersupplies that have all the cables attached, this makes it a lot neater instead your case and could potentially help airflow.

You can read a review of it here: http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=510
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Okay, getting a PK5 M/B. But for the memory, 2 sets of 2x1gb seem to be alot cheaper than the 2x2gb sets. Is it really necessary to get the 2x2gb types and please could someone give me a definitive answer on cl4 and cl5. Thanks again Webhead
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Okay, getting a PK5 M/B. But for the memory, 2 sets of 2x1gb seem to be alot cheaper than the 2x2gb sets. Is it really necessary to get the 2x2gb types and please could someone give me a definitive answer on cl4 and cl5. Thanks again Webhead
Well done on getting a P5K motherboard, yeah its strange 2 sets of 2x1gb is cheaper then 2x2gb I'll look further and see if they are any difference but get 2x 2gb, also I just looked on wikipedia and I was right lower latercy (CL) does mean faster and more overclockable RAM, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency

Glad to help you, despite my wrong understanding of Vista 64bit I hope you have found the infomation I have given you helpful, and if you have any further questions I'll do my best to answer them.
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