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Old 02-23-2005, 01:48 AM   #1
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Ok it's time to retire my old dell p4 1.8 with the arrival of battlefield 2 in the near future.I've been reading articles like mad trying to get a great gaming system without destroying the budget. This is what I've come up with, any advice from more knowledgable people then myself would be greatly appreciated.

3500+ amd 64 939 socket cpu
asus A8N SLI motherboard
1gig of OCZ Hi performance DDR400 ( 2x512 mb )
MSI 6600gt 128mb DDR3
LG 16x dvdRW dual layer
sound blaster audigy 2 card 6.1 sound
80 gb seagate sata hard drive
windows xp home
450 watt 24 pin power supply
generic case.

Ok let exlain my reasoning behind this system and then you guys can tell me if I'm on the right track.basically I chose this sytem because of the SLI (yes I know I only have 1 vid card listed atm) I can't afford a 6800 gt or ultra and from what I've read the 6600GT will meet all my current gaming needs, also later this year when the price on the 6600 gt's drop farther i can add an other one, giving me a pretty decent vid set up.Also i figure that when windows 64 is released I can upgrade the ram with a couple 1024 sticks all in all giving me 3gb of ram, which from what I've read the 64 windows will be able to take advantage of.Basically I've designed this machine to be a goo comp and for it to become even better by years end.

The small (by todays standars ) 80gb harddrive is basically a cost issue, that and the fact that since I primarily use the machine for gaming I don't really need that much HD space.The generic case is again a cost issue, also I kind of like the thought of the machine looking all meek and wimpy and actually being a pretty darn nice system inside.Basically I chose to spend my money where it counts and cut a few corners on stuff like the case and HD to save a few bucks.

One thing i have been wondering about is it better for me to buy just a plain old 3000+ 64 and just overclock it up to near 3500 speeds? It looks like it would save me like 100 to 150 bucks or so. If i buy the 3500 as planned I dont think I'll be overclocking it anytime soon as at the cost i wouldnt want to fry it.But I'm think if I just buy the 3000+ and overclock it, it should do me pretty well and i can just buy a cheaper CPU again down the road and do the same thing.Basically getting more bang for my buck.

Last question windows 64 is now available in beta.Does anyone know how stable it is?It would be nice to realize the full potential of my 64 bit cpu as soon as possible, but as you can tell I'm not all that tech savvy so I'm wondering if it's something I should just avoid for now.

Anyways any help would be greatly appreciated, I've been window shopping and reading reviews like mad and this to me appears to be the right oath for me.Can anyone point out and flawed logic in my reasoning or even just plain blunders.This system is going to cost me alot by my standards so I want to do it right.......
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well from whatthe heard i woundn'r get that mobo
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Could you please elaborate on why you wouldn't recommend the mother board? Since I'm aiming to go with SLI it kind of limits my options, as far as I can tell only 4 companys make SLI mobo's at the moment Asus, MSI,DFI, adn gigabyte. I could always switch to another Mobo' like the MSI ( would actually be nice to have the Mobo and vid card by same maker lol ) just don't know how much that would jack up the price as I believe MSI's only comes in a delux model atm.

I decided to go with the Asus just because they have such a good reputation overall.I ruled out the gigabyte because apparently it lacks alot of overclocking features (although I've never OC'd in my life, would be nice to have the option tho) The MSI like i said appears to only be available in a delux model atm and hence a fair bit more so I ruled it out originally because of cost, and the DFI board I really haven't seen anything on it.

Anyways if you could please tell me why you think it's the wrong Mobo to go with I would appreciate it, and also if you could recommend which one you would go with, that would be great too.This system is going to cost me a fair bit and I really want to do it right, thanks in advance.....
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Old 02-23-2005, 04:09 AM   #4
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Well i heard that the A8N- SLi MOBOisn't really good for SLi since the SLi lanes are actally 8x Each which makes up a total of 16x.... which its supposed to be 16x each PCIe slot amounting to a total of 32x some MOBO makers do this and some don't i'm not sure about other ones
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That MSI mobo looks sexy. Go with that!
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For the mobo, if you want overclocking advantages, go for the ABIT AV8-3rd Eye. Costs about 80 quid, but is only for socket 939 (3500+ would work, dont know about the 3000+). It's an AGP board, but has so many functions and features, it doesn't really matter!

It makes overclocking soo much easier I've heard too, because it has overclocking features built in with a clock to tell you settings and temps. That's what it was built to be able to do, overclock! Also the fact it saves custom settings for games and stuff I think is really kewl I'm also getting it for my new system!

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Old 02-24-2005, 12:12 AM   #7
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thanks guys keep the ideas coming.
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Well i heard that the A8N- SLi MOBOisn't really good for SLi since the SLi lanes are actally 8x Each which makes up a total of 16x.... which its supposed to be 16x each PCIe slot amounting to a total of 32x some MOBO makers do this and some don't i'm not sure about other ones
PCI-E is like that on everything. You still get double the preformance(agp x 2) And 1 6800GT almost equals the performance of 2 600GT, it only trails by about 2fps.
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I cant believe no one is actually answering his questions.
OK, on ur cpu u need to get a winchester core, whether it is the 3500 or 3000+ and it NEEDS to bte a socket 939, like u have selected. I would seriously suggest the msi or gigabtye mobo, i sold my asus and bought an msi, and there was an immediate difference. And u might want to get some extra fans for a super cool system. And the idea to upgrade as u go along is VERY smart, as long as u purchase the EXACT card again(came brand and model) and it shoul dbe a dope rig. Also look into Crucial Ballistix Ram its top notch, very oc'able, very low latency, very fast.
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Old 02-24-2005, 11:38 AM   #10
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thanks blah
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Ok thanks for the suggestions guys, I'm bit scared to overclock my sytem, one as I'm not really tech savvy and two because I don't want to void my warranty, so will probably avoid that and go with the 3500+.

But I have run into a bit of a dilemma regarding the whole SLI thing, I originally chose to go SLI because it seemed a good way to go cash wise, buy a 6600gt now and get another down the road later this year when they are cheaper.But after reading a ton of reviews I started to think about cost ratio, right now up here in canada I can get the 6600gt for $230, and was planning on buying another when they went down to like $150 or so. So all in all would probably cost me about $380 or so for the two in the end.Currently i can get the MSI 6800 256 for about $400.A 6800 gt up here looks like it will run about $525 if i can find any in stock anywhere.It seems that it's really hard atm to find the 6800 series up here in the PCI E interface.O.K. so on to my dilemma......

All the benchmarks I've been reading is that basically two 6600gt's in SLI = one 6800 and two 6800's in SLI = one 6800 gt. So it seems like basically if i stepped up to the 6800 I would be getting the same performance as the 6600GT SLI duo for basically the same price, and that was if i was to wait for the 6600 gt to come down in price.If i were to buy now it would actually cost me about $60 more.

My original system is pretty much my budget altho i figure i can squeeze out and extra $100 if needed. SO this is what I'm thinking, if i were to cut out the sound card and get kingston value ram i could shave about $70 off the price and pay an extra hundred to get a 6800.This at the moment seems the most logical choice.But then I think well if I'm going to do that wouldnt i just be smarter to not even go SLI and get a regular mobo for about $100 less, still drop the soundcard and switch to kingston ram.By doing that and chipping in the extra hundred i think i could afford to go with the 6800 GT.

Its just start to look like when doing the math SLI isn't worth it, it just seems to be cheaper to get a single card of the step up.It almost seems that SLI isn't worth it til you get into the 6800 gt's or 6800 ultras... Am i right here?

Hopefully my post makes sense, just really want to do the right thing here.Any suggestions would be greatly apppreciated..
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Get ddr2

2 6600GT =16800GT

the 6600GT win by a kittle but not a lot
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Acually, that sounds really good. By the way, do you have good speakers that would even be worth buying that soundcard that you WERE going to buy?
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Well atm I have the crappiest speakers you could imagine lol, but what i didn't list was the speakers I am buying for the new system, nothing great just a logitech 5.1 system, should do me well enough for gaming. But i just phoned a buddy back home who is a certified tech and he said to not bother with a soundcard atm, the board has a 8 channel on board which he says will do me just ine for gaming.He also said that if not overclocking I may as well just go with samsung or kingston value ram and save a feew bucks their as well.

Jack ya i thought that a pair of 6600 gts was equal to a single 6800 gt, but uptil now all the 6600gt revies i had read were just comparing a single 6600gt vs a pair in SLI. I ran across this reviwe which benchmarks the 6600 gt, the 6800, and the 6800 gt. Singley and in SLI mode .

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...6800/page8.asp

As you can see according to the benchmarks from this review at least, in all the game tested it basically went 2 6600gt's equals 1 6800 and 2 6800's equal 1 6800 gt ( more or less give or take a few frames either way depending on game and resolution ) This review is what made me start to entirely rethink my whole approach to the SLI. I'm going to try andf find more reviews like this one where they compare the 3 singley and in SLI and see if I can confirm this.
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I got my stuff from PCModder issue on stands now. It had a whole thing about the SLI.
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Yeah I tottally believe ya Jack because i swear i had read somewhere last week about the dual 6600 gts equaling a 6800 gt. SO i poked around and i found this review a few minutes ago

http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-15174-1494-9-9-x

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We compared two PX6600 GTs to a single GeForce 6800 GT and came away rather impressed. The dual PX6600 GTs outperformed the single 6800 GT in almost all our tests. Once overclocked, the dual PX6600 GTs widen the already significant lead by even more.

Lol so now I'm quite confused, the benchmarks from the 2 reviews i posted completly conflicted each other. I wonder if we get that magazine you stated up here in Canada, never seen it on the shelves but maybe if I go to a specialty store i might be able to snag a copy.Oh well I still have a week or two til my tax refund comes anyways, leaves me quite some time to research.
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Strange. I know 2 6600GT beat a 6800GT but it was only by say 3fps.
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Well if it can do at least 80FPS i guess its good
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i had two asus 6600gt they ran a steady 98 on 1024x768, hardly changing at all
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