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Old 09-22-2005, 12:49 PM   #1
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Hi, I am new to building computers and would like to make a checklist of everything I need and to make sure I am not missing anything.

So of course I need the essentials:
Motherboard
CPU
Hard Drive
DVD/CD ROM drive
Video and sound card
Memory
Power supply
Fans
HDD fan

And now things that I am unsure of...
CPU FAN/heatsink ... what is the difference? and which one is better?
Memory cooler and chipset fan ... are these needed?

So did I forget anything? I also have a question about the I/O panel on the back of the case.. what do u do if the motherboards back panel does not fit since the cut outs for the inputs may not be exactly the same as on the motherboard?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:59 PM   #2
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Hey, well good choice on deciding to build

CPU FAN AND HEATSINK:

The CPU fan and heatsink will come with the processor more likely, but there is no, which one is better as they are both needed.

The heatsink fits over the processor you see, and at the bottom you place a thermal compound which sticks and also is really cool, and this creates a type of link between the processor and heatsink.

its built in such a way that the heat from the processor rises up through the metal of the heatsink and the fan then joins ontop of the heatsink to get rid of the heat that rises, and this together creates a good team to cool it down to a suitable level.

CHIPSET FAN:

As for the memory cooler and chipset fan, these should come with the motherboard if needed. Usually now, you'll find a heatsink will be there in place of the chipset fan, which won't need cooling down as much.

MEMORY COOLER:

As for the memory coolers, some RAM comes with them, and this would help mainly for overclocking as the parts would get hotter, but most RAM these days do come with some kind of heatspreader over them anyway.

I/O PANEL:

The I/O panel is rather easy to sort out.

The one that comes with the case can be discarded and taken out, but carefully as the sides can be sharp.

When you get the motherboard, it'll come with a new one to place instead of that one, which will fit all the ports and things that are needed.

I hope this helps
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:16 PM   #4
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I didnt include the OS in here because thats obvious. And this is all hardware realted in this post.
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:20 PM   #5
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I think your all sorted then.
Just check my above post for a few hints and answers
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Old 09-22-2005, 03:33 PM   #6
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Thanks Kage for the info. My next question is regarding case fans. I know 120mm fans are more silent and move more air, but would 3x80mm fans do a good job? The case i want has 3x80mm fans. I was thinking of adding one of those add on fans that snap in to a pci slot like this one...http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...0565&CatId=804 or something like this... http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...4350&CatId=804
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Sorry had to bump this post or else it would go unnoticed
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Those fANs look nice. Since your canadian, incase you don't know. NCIX.COM is a good site for PC parts in canada.
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Hey, no problems.

Those fans look kewl. Using 3 80mm instead of 120mm ones shouldn't be a problem, but expect slightly more noise from them.

Most cases only seem to have 1 120mm fan at the moment whilst the back has around 2 80mm ones.
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Yes I already know about ncix.com. I am going to use both sites for parts. Most likely CPU and motherboard from NCIX while tigerdirect.ca is great for fans and modding accesories. I dont mind the noise from the computer, it probably will be quieter than the one I have now. So if i have 3 80mm fans and add that PCI slot one will that be good? Or should I add that Ultra one that uses the expansion slot? I already got a good deal on a case off of tigerdirect.ca ... http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...797&CatId=1520 . So now I am going to move on to all the hardware.
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It depends really. Look on your case to where would give the best airflow, like towards a hole in the case.

I'd presume the Vantec Spectrum PCI Fan Card with Blue UV LED one would work best since it'd create a gap at the back of the PC where the hot air would come out of.
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one thing about buying a new cpu is most companies include a pretty decent fan that will(suposedly last the lifetime of your chip...
reason? the company that builds the cpu (e.g intel) knows that if they put a 3 year waranty on a chip they are going to want it to last the time of the warranty at least, so they will stick a pretty decent fan on your chip. (depending on how you buy it)
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I plan on getting the AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ or the AMD ATHLON 64 X2 4400+ and now I need help on motherboards. I heard a new socket (M2) is coming out soon that supports DDR2 ram? So DDR2 RAM is better than dual channel? And does anybody know when these boards will start coming out? And what is SLI?
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Yeah, wait for the m2. ddr2 is great for ram. it's faster, better, yeah, wait for it. sli = scalabe link interface. It's where you combine two graphics cards onto one mobo, so you get amazing graphics. m2 with sli = incredible. Especially with a cpu like that... go for it.
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Thanks for the info. Now its a question of how much RAM, what speed and good motherboard companies. I am thinking at least 1 gig of ram maybe 2 but the DDR2 is going to be expensive. Does anyone know when the M2 will become more readibly available? Will it be out by the beginning of next year? As for motherboard companies DFI, MSI, Abit, ASUS... are these good companies? What others would you recommend?
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1g is good enough. get msi or abit. THey're the best.
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Yes, those motherboard companies you pointed out are tops. 1GB of RAM is good enough like Jac said, but 2GB is quite large unless you are doing some serious quantitative approaches. Abit makes a really good high performance board called the Abit Fatal1ty. It's $200 some odd dollars but a very good overclocker.

As far as M2, don't count on it being out at the beginning of the year just yet. It will be available next year sometime. I think if you get a really decent setup, you don't reallly need that fancy M2 and DDR2 stuff. Hardware changes so much anyways so you'll never keep up unless you're willing to upgrade every year. Get a nice PC built that is fast and you'll be set.
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Yeah, I have 1gig of RAM on the system, and I multitask almost all the time, yet I always seem to have just below 512mb free, but thats not saying I should have got 512mb instead, because I've given the computer a bit of freedom to go further if it has to.

It also depends on the RAM speed too, and unless you get a very expensive motherboard, it's only going to support DDR standard, and I have an ABIT AV8 and the max speed it supports is DDR 200 ( i think), or in other words PC3200 which is fast but not the fastest around, so its all determined really on what motherboard you get first.

As soon as thats sorted, you can go about thinking of the RAM speed you want to get
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I can try and hold off but it will cost a bit of money. If i plan on spending say $2000 now and wait till the M2 comes out that will go up to like 3000 wont it? And on motherboards I see that they now have two pci-e gigabit ethernet connections? What does this mean ? You can put two ethernet connections so it will be like having two internet lines on one computer? And on another topic... When is Windows Vista going to be released??
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