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Old 09-20-2014, 12:19 PM   #1
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Hi everyone, if you couldn't tell by the title of this thread, I'm having a bit of trouble choosing between AMD or Intel for my CPU.

I would like to just get this out of the way, please if you are a fanboy of either choice, just don't respond. Now that's out of the way, let's get started.

The AMD CPU I would go with is the FX 8350. Here's some of the cons I know about it.

  1. Consumes a higher amount of wattage then the Intel Choice.
  2. Worse single-core performance.
  3. Uses a outdated socket, or soon to be.
Here's some pros to not seem unfair.
  1. Very high overclock ability.
  2. 8 cores if games ever can take advantage of that many.
  3. Since the price drop, it's cheaper then the Intel Choice.
The Intel CPU I would be using is the Core I5 4690K. Of course here are some cons.
  1. More expensive as I said before.
  2. Makes me spend more on the GPU. I will not use an AMD GPU with an Intel CPU, just annoys me.
  3. Z97 Motherboards also costs more then 990FX.
Here's some pros as well.
  1. It's faster then the AMD Choice.
  2. Lower power consumption.
  3. Z97 has Broadwell coming out next year, so much better upgrade paths.
I would like to know your overall opinion. They both are good CPUS, just tell me which one would be better for a gaming PC. I hope you all have a great time, and I will see you later. I'll be at work before you respond, so BYE!
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My god man you have re started the war ... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!

No but seriously if you want to game the 8350 is fine but I suggest the 8320 and just overclock the difference (they are the same chip)

But if you want to have a bit more power in your cpu go for the i5 but I think you will get better fps if you buy amd and invest the rest in a good cooler (stock sucks) and invest in a better gpu. But by all means it is your choice


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Intel is better than AMD chip for chip. The 4690K will demolish that FX 8350 in all but the most highly threaded applications. Put another way my 6 year old i7 920 is still good competition for AMD's latest and greatest. But if you are just gaming then intel's advantaged becomes less clear.
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Will this computer be used for anything besides gaming? And if so, what percentage of the usage isn't gaming?

I've yet to see too many programs utilize more than 2 cores outside of gaming (heck, I'd bet most non-gaming machines only use one core for 99% of their functions). Using your own arguments that AMD has the worse single-core performance I would think if not for gaming then Intel would be the way to go.

Now it's been a long time since I touched an AMD so I'm not sure if this is still true but I recall their stock fans being just god awful back in '06-'08 meaning any over-clocking needing an after-market fan which is more money out of your pocket. With Intel you can get away with some modest over-clocking on the stock fan for a while.
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Old 09-20-2014, 11:30 PM   #5
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I'm back from work! I did start a war didn't I? Just to get the cooler question solved, I will be using the Corsair H105. For the other questions, I might livestream in the future. That will also involve some video editing.

Any other questions? I will be glad to answer. Thanks so far though!
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According to a benchmark that CPU Boss did Intel 4690K vs AMD FX 8350 the 4690K works better when using one core over the FX8350 but they do come pretty close to each other in all other test..
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Passmark scores

AMD 8350 @ 9,022
Intel 4690 @ 7,748
Intel 920 @ 5,008 Not even close To latest AMD chip
AMD 9590 @ 10,284

the 9590 is $259 on Amazon
the 4690k is $235 on Amazon

I know which one I would buy
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Here are some benchmarks from hardwarecanucks starring the 9590.
It doesn't show the I5-4690K but it has the 4670K (as well as plenty others.)
just add 4% to the score and you should ruffly have the 4790K. It's not much better than the 4770k.
The I7 used is also not the new "devils canyon". Add 8% to the scores and you will ruffly have the 4790K

You can see the performance difference between Devils canyon and it's older brothers here:Intel Core i5-4690K im Test









As you can see the 9590 is hands down better than the 4690K.. but here is the deal breaker for me:



If raw CPU performance is so important i'll spend more money and go with the 4790K. It beats the 9590 in most benchmarks and it does it while using half the electricity.
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So it seems that the 8350 is better then the 4690K. Of course besides power consumption. That was somewhat unexpected. I guess everyone that said the I5 was a lot better was just fanboying.

I would spend more and get an I7, however I don't think I will because early next year is going to be Broadwell. That's when I will upgrade to an I7.

So I guess this means that I'll be going AMD. Any complaints?
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no complains. enjoy it. It's a good CPU... with the exception of it's power draw issue.
Just note that you will also have to change motherboard next year if you want to switch to broadwell.

however, If i where you i'll just use what i have until broadwell.
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That's a couple of the issues I have with going AMD right now. I really do want to upgrade to Broadwell, however that would not be cost-effective if I went with AMD. The power draw is also just a little to much.

I would just use what I have, except that it's awful. I play Battlefield 3 on lowest settings 800x600 at 30 fps. Hey! I don't want to play Battlefield like a console does!
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ok, i can see your problem.
So you already have a motherboard that supports the 9590. In that case i'll say go for it. You can properly get 2/3 of the 9590 price back if you sell both the CPU and motherboard as a packed when you want to upgrade again.
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Oh sorry you misunderstood me. I didn't mean that I already have a FM3+ motherboard. I meant to say that I don't know if I want to go the AMD way because of the issues. My current PC is just some old Dell PC that I upgraded a ton.
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The cost of running a FX 9590 at FULL load for 24hr if kWh cost is around 12cents would be 71 cents a day. At idle it would be around 19 cents a day. A 4790k full load would be 31 cents a day and idle would be around 12 cents a day.
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The overuse of electricity is simply bad architecture design.
It also heats up much more than i think is reasonable.

And about the power bill.
ln Denmark El prices are much higher. It's about 30 cents KWh. So it's a concern for me atleast.
I also think we should all care just a little about our mother earth.

The El Prices here have gotten pretty high over the years. mostly do to our government want us to reduce pollution.
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Sorry im not into the green eco stuff. I pay 10 cents kWh here. So 8 cents a day in power consumption does not make any difference at all to me. I dont know if architecture design is bad or not. I know i have a chevy blazer that runs at 210f and a grand am that runs at 180f.
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Sorry im not into the green eco stuff.
That's ok. It's also more the big corporations that have to pull their heads out of their assess.
But we are not here to talk about that.

I'll argue that the architecture is in fact poorly designed. How else does it take almost 250W to clock 8 cores at 5ghz.
And even then it get's beaten by a 4 core I7. It's a poor power and core design.
This is also one of the reasons AMD price their CPU's as they do. Else they would be completely pushed away by Intel.
Not trying to raise a Intel fanboy flag. it's just fact.

Then again, you get a 8 core CPU for cheap money and it does deliver a better bang for the bug than what Intel offers.
That is why AMD is still in business on the CPU market.
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Biker you raise that flag! I'm going Intel!

In case you anyone wants to know... Intel Core i5-4690K, EVGA GeForce GTX 970, Phanteks Enthoo Pro - System Build - PCPartPicker
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Great choice. Intel is all I would ever put in my comp haha
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