EDIT:Awww man, Bugaga, look at the dates before you post. He's long gone now.
Originally Posted by toole
I didn't have a lot of first hand issues with the ipods...but itunes was the most broke pos I've ever used.
Uploading was a pain.
When was that? I have no problems with iTunes.
If you have a computer with a USB 2.0 port the uploading is 1 songs every 2-5 seconds. Plus, iTunes 8 is much more stable than before. I have a 2Gb 2nd Gen iPod (Hate its guts if it has any) and its OK. It's mainly because I have an old iPod that its on the fritz but if you looking for just music then either a iPod, Cowon, or Archos PMP/MP3 player is for you. It's almost impossible to find a MP3 player that doesn't support video playback so your out of luck there. I went around and picked these which you might like. Again, I haven't used them first hand, but that's what online video reviews are for.
(If you don't mind buying from Amazon)
The Cowon iAudio 30Gb, supports Tons of codecs like the rest of Cowon Players, and priced below the 32Gb Zen at $180:
The Archos 404 30Gb, nice size screen and priced at a extremely low $140:
You could also look at the other brands other models. Just to let you know there are other brands besides Apple, Microsoft, and Creative.(Cowon and Archos)